Songshan Shaolin Lyrics: Xiaohongquan

[PangQuan]

Just curious if anyone else has studied this style of Shaolin. I have completed the first two sets. So far all that I have been able to find on this is the first set (on the net via google type searches). And at that, what I have found seems to be missing parts that I learned in this set. I am looking for any notes pertaining to the second set. I am just curious to compair what I have learned with what others are putting out there. From what I have been finding on the first set it seems that I am getting a more complete version, I would like to see if this is the same with the second set.

Any links would be helpfull that display the set in full (not a video sales pitch), if you are not familiar with this style the first two sets are commonly called minor/little/small Hong, and major/greater/large Hong in english.

[Premier79]

Check out http://www.russbo.com. They had a vid of xiaohongquan up there. I'm not sure if it's still there though.

[GeneChing]

I imagine most of the Songshan Shaolin practitioners have engaged Xiaohong. It's a fairly standard beginning set.

[Pk_StyLeZ]

what that website shaolinleub has that uploaded video clips of li peng 2004 tourny?
it has some videos of the shaolin shao hung chang in there
im rpetty sure that would help the guy
i cant seem to dig up the link right
anyone stil have it?

[Shaolinlueb]

**** yo. its in the media section of www.nacma.net (shameless plug )

[Starchaser107]

yup, I know that set.
when you say "missing parts" I'm not certain what you mean.
you do realise that some sets are different within schools right?

oddly enough I took this photo today...

[oasis]

interesting ding bu starchaser. you're the first person i've seen to keep the right arm higher and the left arm aimed back. we keep the right arm close to our body at shoulder level, and the left arm straight down. oh wait, here's de cheng demonstrating here

as for the clips on leub's site, keep in mind that the amy clip is an 'abridged' version, but done very well. the regular version is on there too. pangquan, what have you used to learn the two forms? da hong quan is more difficult than xiao hong quan. as was said, there are some slight variations in the way different people play out xiao hong quan. i've only seen one video clip of da hong quan online. there are plenty of vcds and dvds on these forms that you can buy online if you wish to learn them at home on your own. are you currently working on wushu at your school?

[GeneChing]

Here's an odd piece of research that I was working on about almost ten years ago but never published. It never really worked as an article, so Ill just let you all have it here. It's a comparison of Xiaohongquan lyrics from three different sources.

Shaolin Gong-fu: A Course in Traditional Forms: Shiaohong’s form (Liu 1994: 47-90)
1. Ready position *
2. Hold the moon in arms *
3. White cloud over the head *
4. Push the left palm in a forward lunge *
5. Erect an arm while shrinking the body *
6. Push the left palm in a forward lunge
7. Rebound a palm while turning the body *
8. Push the left palm while taking one step forward
9. Push both palms while lifting the knee
10. Outside-crescent *
11. Shut both elbows with a horse stance
12. Incline both arms in a right forward lunge
13. Insert a fist downward with a right T-stance
14. A fist chops downward while swing-kicking a leg
15. Shut both elbows with a horse stance
16. Incline both arms with a left forward lunge
17. Cut a palm with a lower-wing stance *3
18. A lion opens the mouth (right one) *
19. Rush the left fist after over the head

20. Form plough arms after an arm over the head *2
21. Keep both arms in a line with a horse stance *2
22. Strike up a fist in a kneeling stance
23. Insert a fist downward with a left T-stance
24. Jab palms with a forward lunge *1
25. Inside-crescent
26. Rush a fist up while stamping foot *
27. Scorpion swings its tail
28. A lion opens the mouth (left one) *
29. Push the left palm with a forward lunge

30. Rebound a palm while withdrawing a step
31. Push the left palm with one step forward
32. Push both palms while lifting a knee
33. Clap the right foot *1
34. Left front enpi *
35. Insert a fist downward with a right T-stance
36. A fist chops downward while swing-kicking a leg
37. Right front enpi *
38. Cut a palm with a lower-wing stance
39. A lion opens the mouth (right one) *
40. Rush the left fist after over the head
41. Form plough arms after an arm over the head
42. Keep both arms in a line with a horse stance
43. Strike a fist up with a kneeling stance
44. Insert a fist downward with a left T-stance
45. Jab palms with a forward lunge
46. Clap the right foot *1
47. Push the right palm with a forward lunge *2
48. Push the left palm with a forward lunge *2
49. Push the right palm with a forward lunge *2
50. Clap the left foot *
51. Push the left palm with a forward lunge *2
52. Push the right palm with a forward lunge *2
53. Push the left palm with a forward lunge *2
54. Drag the sea for sands *
55. Strike both hands while stamping a foot *1
56. Make a whole stomachache
57. Enpi the elbow while lifting a knee *1
58. Down strike with a forward lunge
59. Erect an arm while shrinking the body *
60. Push the left palm with a forward lunge
61. Hammer a fist downward after over the head
62. A hero with a horse stance *2
63. The finish *

Shaolin Kung-Fu: Shaolin Xiaohong Boxing (Cai 1992: 87-91)
1. Preparation *
2. Holding moon in arms *
3. White clouds covering head *
4. Stepping forward and pushing palm *1
5. Shrinking and bending elbow *
6. Stepping forward and pushing palm *
7. Turning back and wrenching hands *2
8. Stepping forward and pushing palm *
9. Turning back and stretching leg
10. Stepping forward and swaying foot
11. Moving right obliquely *1
12. Shrinking and bending elbow
13. Raising legs quickly *
14. Moving left obliquely *1
15. Putting down hands *3
16. Lion opening big mouth *
17. Clouds covering head *1
18. Seven stars *
19. Single whip *
20. Shrinking and bending elbow *1
21. Stepping forward and shooting hands *1
22. Whirlwind feet *
23. Shrinking, bending elbow and keeping one fist upward
24. Scorpion waving tail *4
25. Lion opening big mouth *
26. Stepping forward and pushing palm *2
27. Leveling two palms while stepping back *
28. Turning back and wrenching hands *
29. Stepping forward and pushing palm *
30. Turning back and stretching leg *
31. Patting instep while standing on one leg *1
32. Bending left elbow *
33. Splitting leg *
34. Bending right elbow *
35. Putting down hands
36. Lion opening big mouth *
37. Clouds covering over head *1
38. Seven stars *
39. Single whip *
40. Shrinking and bending elbow
41. Stepping forward and shooting hands *1
42. Patting right instep on left leg *1
43. Thrusting palm three times
44. Patting left instep on right foot *1
45. Thrusting palm three times
46. Hungry tiger seizing food
47. Palms intercrossing while squatting
48. Stepping forward and baring fists
49. Sidestepping
50. Pounding fist
51. Rolling hands while shrinking *
52. Stepping forward and thrusting palm *2
53. Clouds covering head
54. Sitting on mountain *2
55. Restoring to preparation posture *

Shaolin Shaohongquan (Beijing Physical Institute Publishing Co. (BPIPC))
1. *
2. *
3. *
4. Liu *
5. *
6. Cai *
7. Liu *
8. Cai *
9. Turn around and bump the leg
10. Liu *
11. Cai *1
12. Pushing down hand while sinking the body
13. Cai *
14. Cai *1
15. Low bow stance with arm swing *3
16. Tiger opens its massive jaws
17. Cai *1
18. Left cloud over head
19. Cai *
20. Cai *
21. Grabbing hand ties the body *1
22. *1
23. Cai *
24. Liu *
25. Scorpion tail and Tiger mouth *4
26. Cai *2
27. Cai *
28. Cai *
29. Cai *
30. Cai *
31. *1
32. *
33. Pushing down hand while sinking the body
34. Cai *
35. *
36. Pushing down hand while sinking the body
37. Tiger opens its massive jaws
38. Left cloud over head
39. Cai *1
40. Cai *
41. Cai *
42. Grabbing hand while sinking the body
43. Cai *1
44. *1
45. Liu *2
46. Liu *2
47. Liu *2
48. Liu *
49. Liu *2
50. Liu *2
51. Liu *2
52. Liu *
53. Liu *1
54. Jamming heart fist
55. Liu *1
56. Low groin punch
57. *1
58. Cai *2
59. Cloud hand coordinated with cannon punch
60. *2
61. *

* These lyrics share identical Chinese characters. The deviations are entirely due to the different interpretations of the translators.
*1 This lyric differs by one Chinese character from the other marked noted lyric(s).
*2 This lyrics differs by two Chinese characters form the other noted lyric(s).
*3 BPIPC shares two characters with Cai and one with Liu, however Cai and Liu are completely different.
*4 BPIPC combines two of Cai’s lyrics changing “lion” to “tiger”. Classically, this movement is referred to as “Lion”.

[Starchaser107]

thanks Gene

[Songshan]

Wow!! Nice work Gene! You should sticky this in the forum for everyone else.

[hanguolaohu]

I'm guessing "Cai" is "Cai Longyun" and "Liu" is "Liu Baoshan" and his 3 sons, right?

Hanguolaohu

[GeneChing]

Hanguolaohu: Cai is Cai Liuhai. That was from the book Shaolin Kung Fu, which was one of the early ones and is long out of print. If memory serves, it had diagrams (in cartoon-like monk drawings) for yijinjing, xiaohong, a gun and a dao set. I can't remember which ones, though. If you really want to know, I suppose I could look it up.

Liu is Liu Haichao, who was the chief editor of the Taguo 5 volume set, and is a son of Liu Baoshan, so you're sort of right on this one.

Songshan: I don't think this is worth stickying. Only a portion of us practice Xiaohong - remember, there are other Shaolin systems beyond Songshan and I've already posted a lot of lyrics for BSL that I never stickied. What's more, most English-speaking practitioners don't really concern themselves with lyrics.

I have another lyric set for Xiaohong out of the Zhongguo, Songshan Shaolinsi Wugong Quansi Miji series that was done in 1999. It's in Chinese though, so I'd have to translate it, and that seems like a bother right now. Maybe some other time. Or better yet, maybe one of you can do it...

[DoGcHoW108]

sweet s*** man, thanks.

[SPJ]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bT9Ig...iaohong%20quan

have fun.

[The Willow Sword]

That is a good form. Certainly better than any i learned at you know where.


As always, TWS