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    Show us your ding bus!

    Here's my ding bu - I hope it's akin to my master Decheng's since he taught it to me. Mine photographed from a slightly exaggerated angle, but I too keep my elbow tucked in, mostly for that qinna app.

    I've seen a lot of variation in Xiaohong quan, even more in Dahong. There's an internal temple version that's really different - same moves but an almost chen taiji-like energy. I've even seen variation in the lyrics and once started to compile those variations, just for fun. The essence is usually the same, though.
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    Here's a DaHong clip.....PQ has it already

    http://homepage.mac.com/stevefarrell...HongBoxing.mov

    Don't study it.....so don't know how Shaolinified it is.....or not...

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    I asked a girl to show me her ding bu's once.....

    Ended up with a black eye....
    "We had a thing to settle so I did him"
    Tamai, 43, was quoted by Police as saying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phoenix-eye
    I asked a girl to show me her ding bu's once.....

    Ended up with a black eye....
    lol.......

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    Quote Originally Posted by phoenix-eye
    Here's a DaHong clip.....PQ has it already

    http://homepage.mac.com/stevefarrell...HongBoxing.mov

    Don't study it.....so don't know how Shaolinified it is.....or not...

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    Thats deffinately the Da Hong I know, yet totally different. I think this may be what Gene was talking about. It is pretty intersesting to watch though, he has a totally different system of delivery.

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    a plug for gene

    the forms are depicted in the taguo books , and the form you're speaking of is the 'first road.' 3 of them are described in the books. shi de yang also covers the three roads in his vcd/dvd set.

    as for this performance, one of the senior students at my school did it recently and it seemed in line with how the older man in the video did it. they each had different flavors, but the overall movements were the same. that can be said for most forms based on the way the individual practioner links certain groups of movements versus others. it will inevitably lead to different tempos that might be perceived as a different form (even though the movements are the same).

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    Quote Originally Posted by oasis
    the forms are depicted in the taguo books , and the form you're speaking of is the 'first road.' 3 of them are described in the books. shi de yang also covers the three roads in his vcd/dvd set.
    is that a good set of books to get. it's in english right. i think i read that right.

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    taguo

    as people always say, books can only do so much. for me personally, i just like to have them for comparative documentation of material that i learn at my school. whenever i learn a form, and when's it's in taguo, i'll check the book for comparison and to get some of the names of the movements, although taguo often gives generic directional names. also, the translations are not perfect, so there are sometimes awkward phrases used to describe the movements.

    i also have videos of many of the same forms, so the books and vids complement one another. if you're just interested in learning forms that you are not learning in person, i would say forget the books and get the videos, or get both.

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    The Taguo books

    The Taguo books hold a special position for me because I was in Shaolin when the first three were released in '95. I got my editions signed to me personally and chopped by compiler Liu Haichao. I was responsible for the first imports of these books to the USA, initially through WLE and now through www.martialartsmart.com. It's an interesting reference but there's really no way to learn from them. You need to know the form first, then you can reference it. The translation is clunky, but every Songshan student should have it just because it's the most extensive English work so far...
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    I have worked out a good half dozen sets from Tagou books. All the martial Monk sets for starters. When I finaly got video's on them I found I was so darn close, that the variations didn't matter.

    To work them out, you do need to have deacent Shaolin fundementals, and a very paitient mind set. It takes time to absorb, and figure out what is being done.

    Also, some things are just backwards. Once that little fact reveles itself to you, it's not hard at all.
    Those that are the most sucessful are also the biggest failures. The difference between them and the rest of the failures is they keep getting up over and over again, until they finally succeed.


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    Songshan Shaolin Lyrics: Xiaohongquan

    Here's an odd piece of research that I was working on about almost ten years ago but never published. It never really worked as an article, so Ill just let you all have it here. It's a comparison of Xiaohongquan lyrics from three different sources.

    Shaolin Gong-fu: A Course in Traditional Forms: Shiaohong’s form (Liu 1994: 47-90)
    1. Ready position *
    2. Hold the moon in arms *
    3. White cloud over the head *
    4. Push the left palm in a forward lunge *
    5. Erect an arm while shrinking the body *
    6. Push the left palm in a forward lunge
    7. Rebound a palm while turning the body *
    8. Push the left palm while taking one step forward
    9. Push both palms while lifting the knee
    10. Outside-crescent *
    11. Shut both elbows with a horse stance
    12. Incline both arms in a right forward lunge
    13. Insert a fist downward with a right T-stance
    14. A fist chops downward while swing-kicking a leg
    15. Shut both elbows with a horse stance
    16. Incline both arms with a left forward lunge
    17. Cut a palm with a lower-wing stance *3
    18. A lion opens the mouth (right one) *
    19. Rush the left fist after over the head

    20. Form plough arms after an arm over the head *2
    21. Keep both arms in a line with a horse stance *2
    22. Strike up a fist in a kneeling stance
    23. Insert a fist downward with a left T-stance
    24. Jab palms with a forward lunge *1
    25. Inside-crescent
    26. Rush a fist up while stamping foot *
    27. Scorpion swings its tail
    28. A lion opens the mouth (left one) *
    29. Push the left palm with a forward lunge

    30. Rebound a palm while withdrawing a step
    31. Push the left palm with one step forward
    32. Push both palms while lifting a knee
    33. Clap the right foot *1
    34. Left front enpi *
    35. Insert a fist downward with a right T-stance
    36. A fist chops downward while swing-kicking a leg
    37. Right front enpi *
    38. Cut a palm with a lower-wing stance
    39. A lion opens the mouth (right one) *
    40. Rush the left fist after over the head
    41. Form plough arms after an arm over the head
    42. Keep both arms in a line with a horse stance
    43. Strike a fist up with a kneeling stance
    44. Insert a fist downward with a left T-stance
    45. Jab palms with a forward lunge
    46. Clap the right foot *1
    47. Push the right palm with a forward lunge *2
    48. Push the left palm with a forward lunge *2
    49. Push the right palm with a forward lunge *2
    50. Clap the left foot *
    51. Push the left palm with a forward lunge *2
    52. Push the right palm with a forward lunge *2
    53. Push the left palm with a forward lunge *2
    54. Drag the sea for sands *
    55. Strike both hands while stamping a foot *1
    56. Make a whole stomachache
    57. Enpi the elbow while lifting a knee *1
    58. Down strike with a forward lunge
    59. Erect an arm while shrinking the body *
    60. Push the left palm with a forward lunge
    61. Hammer a fist downward after over the head
    62. A hero with a horse stance *2
    63. The finish *

    Shaolin Kung-Fu: Shaolin Xiaohong Boxing (Cai 1992: 87-91)
    1. Preparation *
    2. Holding moon in arms *
    3. White clouds covering head *
    4. Stepping forward and pushing palm *1
    5. Shrinking and bending elbow *
    6. Stepping forward and pushing palm *
    7. Turning back and wrenching hands *2
    8. Stepping forward and pushing palm *
    9. Turning back and stretching leg
    10. Stepping forward and swaying foot
    11. Moving right obliquely *1
    12. Shrinking and bending elbow
    13. Raising legs quickly *
    14. Moving left obliquely *1
    15. Putting down hands *3
    16. Lion opening big mouth *
    17. Clouds covering head *1
    18. Seven stars *
    19. Single whip *
    20. Shrinking and bending elbow *1
    21. Stepping forward and shooting hands *1
    22. Whirlwind feet *
    23. Shrinking, bending elbow and keeping one fist upward
    24. Scorpion waving tail *4
    25. Lion opening big mouth *
    26. Stepping forward and pushing palm *2
    27. Leveling two palms while stepping back *
    28. Turning back and wrenching hands *
    29. Stepping forward and pushing palm *
    30. Turning back and stretching leg *
    31. Patting instep while standing on one leg *1
    32. Bending left elbow *
    33. Splitting leg *
    34. Bending right elbow *
    35. Putting down hands
    36. Lion opening big mouth *
    37. Clouds covering over head *1
    38. Seven stars *
    39. Single whip *
    40. Shrinking and bending elbow
    41. Stepping forward and shooting hands *1
    42. Patting right instep on left leg *1
    43. Thrusting palm three times
    44. Patting left instep on right foot *1
    45. Thrusting palm three times
    46. Hungry tiger seizing food
    47. Palms intercrossing while squatting
    48. Stepping forward and baring fists
    49. Sidestepping
    50. Pounding fist
    51. Rolling hands while shrinking *
    52. Stepping forward and thrusting palm *2
    53. Clouds covering head
    54. Sitting on mountain *2
    55. Restoring to preparation posture *

    Shaolin Shaohongquan (Beijing Physical Institute Publishing Co. (BPIPC))
    1. *
    2. *
    3. *
    4. Liu *
    5. *
    6. Cai *
    7. Liu *
    8. Cai *
    9. Turn around and bump the leg
    10. Liu *
    11. Cai *1
    12. Pushing down hand while sinking the body
    13. Cai *
    14. Cai *1
    15. Low bow stance with arm swing *3
    16. Tiger opens its massive jaws
    17. Cai *1
    18. Left cloud over head
    19. Cai *
    20. Cai *
    21. Grabbing hand ties the body *1
    22. *1
    23. Cai *
    24. Liu *
    25. Scorpion tail and Tiger mouth *4
    26. Cai *2
    27. Cai *
    28. Cai *
    29. Cai *
    30. Cai *
    31. *1
    32. *
    33. Pushing down hand while sinking the body
    34. Cai *
    35. *
    36. Pushing down hand while sinking the body
    37. Tiger opens its massive jaws
    38. Left cloud over head
    39. Cai *1
    40. Cai *
    41. Cai *
    42. Grabbing hand while sinking the body
    43. Cai *1
    44. *1
    45. Liu *2
    46. Liu *2
    47. Liu *2
    48. Liu *
    49. Liu *2
    50. Liu *2
    51. Liu *2
    52. Liu *
    53. Liu *1
    54. Jamming heart fist
    55. Liu *1
    56. Low groin punch
    57. *1
    58. Cai *2
    59. Cloud hand coordinated with cannon punch
    60. *2
    61. *

    * These lyrics share identical Chinese characters. The deviations are entirely due to the different interpretations of the translators.
    *1 This lyric differs by one Chinese character from the other marked noted lyric(s).
    *2 This lyrics differs by two Chinese characters form the other noted lyric(s).
    *3 BPIPC shares two characters with Cai and one with Liu, however Cai and Liu are completely different.
    *4 BPIPC combines two of Cai’s lyrics changing “lion” to “tiger”. Classically, this movement is referred to as “Lion”.
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    thanks Gene

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    Wow!! Nice work Gene! You should sticky this in the forum for everyone else.

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    Cai and Liu

    I'm guessing "Cai" is "Cai Longyun" and "Liu" is "Liu Baoshan" and his 3 sons, right?

    Hanguolaohu

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    lyrics

    Hanguolaohu: Cai is Cai Liuhai. That was from the book Shaolin Kung Fu, which was one of the early ones and is long out of print. If memory serves, it had diagrams (in cartoon-like monk drawings) for yijinjing, xiaohong, a gun and a dao set. I can't remember which ones, though. If you really want to know, I suppose I could look it up.

    Liu is Liu Haichao, who was the chief editor of the Taguo 5 volume set, and is a son of Liu Baoshan, so you're sort of right on this one.

    Songshan: I don't think this is worth stickying. Only a portion of us practice Xiaohong - remember, there are other Shaolin systems beyond Songshan and I've already posted a lot of lyrics for BSL that I never stickied. What's more, most English-speaking practitioners don't really concern themselves with lyrics.

    I have another lyric set for Xiaohong out of the Zhongguo, Songshan Shaolinsi Wugong Quansi Miji series that was done in 1999. It's in Chinese though, so I'd have to translate it, and that seems like a bother right now. Maybe some other time. Or better yet, maybe one of you can do it...
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