Sandman, I am not trying to troll here, but what exactly is wrong with wearing gloves? i have read that you should both wrap your hands as well as wear gloves when you are hitting any kind of bag, although I have read that wrapping them too tight can damage your bones and wrists.
Ok, first off, let's make sure we're talking about the same thing. I'm talking about a wall bag, ususally square, that is full of sand and hangs on a wall. Not a heavy bag, speed bag, or any other sort of bag that moves around. Ok, now that we're clear on that....
1) When you fight in a street situation, you won't be wearing gloves. Part of the reason I hit the bag, is to become comfortable hitting things. If I put on gloves/tape my hands, it will feel really different when my hand actually goes to smack something.
2) DON'T HIT THE BAG HARD ENOUGH TO HURT YOURSELF. Bag gloves exist to prevent injury to the hands, if you aren't doing anything to injure yourself, why wear them? When you hit heavy bags, speed bags, etc. there is a good chance is will move around (as it is designed to do), and you can hit it off center or scrape your knuckles on the canvas, hurting your hands. The wall bag doesn't really move around much.
3) You might hurt yourself without gloves "shadowboxing" on the wall bag, but that's NOT what it's for. At least, that's not what I use it for. When I work on my punching, I'm standing in front of a wall bag chain punching it, or sometimes practicing other strikes. But for the most part, it's just one straight on punch after another, flat part of my fist to flat surface of the bag. Since I'm not hitting it from weird angles, or anything like that, gloves just aren't neccessary, especially since my goal is not to pound it until my fists bleed.
Like I said before, the way I was taught, you started off just putting your fists out there and getting used to making contact in a slow relaxed fashion. As time passed, I'd ramp up how hard/fast I'd hit the thing. The level of conditioning recieved from this training is good, but it's slow, it takes time and patience. If you're looking for a "quick fix", this isn't it, and I can't help you. Anyway, this is just how I do things, I know opinions on this vary alot. Hope this was helpfull!
Thanks!
Sandman[Wing Chun]
sandman - so, what exactly is the "proper" way to punch and the proper bone alignment?
i disagree withafew things,first i would say sandman is right,alignment is most important.you can break your haND if you punch someone in the head n the wrong angle,so you can do the same with abag. i thnk ou should use linament,this stops blood stanation.i have been treated by many accupuncturist from china,they all agree. also,a tai chi high level dayan chi gung friend of mine,told me of a lot of guys who do iron palm,are hurting themselves,there complexion is real red,showing too much heat in the body,can lead to illness. i used to practicem 3 inch as follows..get an old coffee can,fill it with rocks,and place an indoor outdoor carpet arount it tightly. sit it on a table,and practice your punch,trying to shoot the can across the table. when ou can do it,fill it with heavier rocks. i have ony me one guy who mpressed me with iron anything. it was a chinese guy raised in a temple,he had the top knucle up to fingertip on his index and middle finger,like steel. he would do pushups wit his legs up in the air on a table,an do one handed pushups on those two fingers only.he wasamazing. he did a style called meinzong,and hsng yi. i met him at an herbshop in chinatown.he said those two fingers were for self defense. he would poke you anywhere,and you wouldhurt bad.
hey guys
sorry to hear your problems about one inch punching,but i think you are all missing the point.hing asked a valid question and no-one answerd!sorry,but do you lot know how these are done or practised.
Hi Cloud 1,
Did you read my post? Aside from giving step by step instructions what more do you want here. There has been discussion of using bags and whether to wear gloves or not. The issue of taping ones hands has been mentioned. If you have to something to offer than please share with the rest of us [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif[/img]
Peace,
Dave
Originx:
What's the correct way to punch? Boy, there are even more opinions on this then there are on how to do hand conditioning.....if I get time later, I'll take some digital pics of my fist, so you can see what it looks like, i don't have time this morning to write out a lengthy description of fist composition.
Thanks!
Sandman[Wing Chun]
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Hi Sihing 73,
I read your post and agree.But there seems to be a question on my mind. Can the one inch punch be done if your off the ground. You also quote that you can learn this kind of punching from a book[ James Demile ] Is this how you have learnt. If so how do YOU know you are doing it correctly?
Hing- You practise "One Inch Strikes" in the first form??
Hi Cloud 1,
To answer your question I do not believe that the 1 inch punch can be done while off of the ground. I believe that you need to use the ground and your structure/root in order to generate power properly. Much of the power of the inch punch comes from the proper snap of the wrist as well as a slight rotation of the hips and dropping of the knee. Still, you need a base from which to generate power and your stance will do that.
As to having learned from a book; I was fortunate enough to learn from my Sifu. I refer to the book by James Demile as a good reference because I think he breaks things down nicely. He also has a chapter, I think, on using a can of some sort to prepare the knuckles for striking which was kind of what this post started with. In any event, I think his method is different than the one I use but probably just as valid.
There are more than one way to generate an inch punch. All it is is an expression of jing and so there are more than one path to the same end. Some may be a little quicker than other [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif[/img]
Hope this makes things a little clearer, at least concerning me.
Peace,
Dave
Dave,
Where you in Germany when Michael Fries knocked out a wrestler,while falling backwards?
WT
The conditioning you need according to the "one and three inch punch" book is:
Wrist, done by rolling a weight up and down a stick with the arms straight out.
Isometrics: Forearms pressing underneadth a bar and leaning back and bringing yourself back forward.
And some other exercises. One is trapping a piece of paper against a wall with your fist as a form of timing exercise.
The books pretty good, but small. Easy to miss at book stores. [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif[/img] But its not like most people could do the training enough to consider it a "martial art". It can be if you can deliver it.
It doesnt have to travel far, and is best used, IMO, in a semi-clinch. Even better if you can charge in, get your body moving, POW.
But that foorwork and the hopping/stomp combo is a bit tricky. Perhaps some of the baji guys could elaborate more on thsoe basics?
I dont recommend knuckle training for obvious reasons (see pictures). I HATE cold weather. Makes my joints swell even more.
I hope these pictures dont come out too big.
you should be training your short range power in siu lim tao. there is no reason to pratice the punch as it is the princible of short range power that allows you to punch hard in a short distance. its just practice.
i would not stand there and atempt a 1" punch on my opponent as i could have hit him properly. its more for when you are stuck close to your opponents body and you can strike with the same force. its used to much for stage demos and everyone thinks "ill hit him with a 1" punch" and you miss the first 30 cm that could have made the strike even better.
so just do siu lim tao and try to put as much as you can in the palms.
see ya
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