poisonous chinese medicine

[YuanZhideDiZhen]

yes, it takes the highest level of iron vest to stop a bullet and ppl don't have this skill anymore. but it takes weeks to learn how to shoot properly. lots of iron vest masters were killed in the boxer rebellion.

guys,
the iron vest was about blood control in the skin and subdermis. it was used to control blood flow into wounds so that they would knit faster, or prevent massive blood loss/bruising. it was never intended to stop a bullet or prevent a wound: just reduce the bleeding.

there are other hardening methods which will toughen the skin but will not deflect anything.

there became a popular belief durring the Ching/Manchu Rebellion (what the English called the Boxer Rebellion of th 1890's, not the Chinese Boxer Rebellion of the 1860's) that was proliferated by a group of monks whom claimed there was one whom could still do iron palm technique so well as to turn ball from a musket at 100 yards. swatting a hot lead ball travelling 650fps is a heck of a lot different than being bulletproof.

[Dale Dugas]

Thanks for stating the obvious.

V was the one who mentioned the c r a p about stopping bullets. My god this person is a total nutter who knows NOTHING about training in real iron arts.

Stopping bullets and knives and all that fantasy novel crap.

V has been outed as nothing more than a child with dreams of granduer.

In Boston,

Dale Dugas

[Vasquez]

guys,
the iron vest was about blood control in the skin and subdermis. it was used to control blood flow into wounds so that they would knit faster, or prevent massive blood loss/bruising. it was never intended to stop a bullet or prevent a wound: just reduce the bleeding.

there are other hardening methods which will toughen the skin but will not deflect anything.

there became a popular belief durring the Ching/Manchu Rebellion (what the English called the Boxer Rebellion of th 1890's, not the Chinese Boxer Rebellion of the 1860's) that was proliferated by a group of monks whom claimed there was one whom could still do iron palm technique so well as to turn ball from a musket at 100 yards. swatting a hot lead ball travelling 650fps is a heck of a lot different than being bulletproof.

Also depends on the calibire. A bullet proof vest cannot stop a knife stab. but Iron vest training can stop bladed weapons. shouldn't it mean it can stop bullets?

[Dale Dugas]

actually V they have vests that stop blades AND bullets. But like technology is sometimes can be countered.

Believing Iron Vest can stop bladed weapons is a joke. Hence your a joke for believing that it can do that.

You able to comprehend this? It seems you cannot. You would be great if you could take your apparent interest in MA and train for real rather than the fairy like material you claim to train with.

In Boston,

Dale Dugas

[Vasquez]

actually V they have vests that stop blades AND bullets. But like technology is sometimes can be countered.

Believing Iron Vest can stop bladed weapons is a joke. Hence your a joke for believing that it can do that.

You able to comprehend this? It seems you cannot. You would be great if you could take your apparent interest in MA and train for real rather than the fairy like material you claim to train with.

In Boston,

Dale Dugas

No. But I agree alot of the masters were killed during the boxer reballion

[Dale Dugas]

V,

Your one mindedness(most would say ignorance) on these high level subjects astounds us.

Train more, boy, and then wake up as your mythical training will get you and anyone else who believes that crap, killed.

Why not just meditate and turn into superman you misguided child?

Train more post less crap and you will see progress.

In Boston,

Dale Dugas

[YuanZhideDiZhen]

vas,

when you can prove you've learned from a knowledgable master post a vid and invite dale to it.

if you believe that it is a faith system then develop your faith in that system and practice the technique with deep wounds.

part of the technique is from the healing arts. part from moving qi qong. part from iron palm. the actual story relate it as "iron flat" which could be misinterpreted as "iron shirt".

to practice the technique from a traditional POV: get an expert archer to 'william tell' you. if you can block the arrows at a distance of 7 yards you are on the right track for skill development. a light arrow at seven yards is going abiout as fast as a .45 to .56 caliber musketball at 300 yards. these balls weighed between 1/4 to 3/4 ounce. if you used a black powder rifle that can take a 150 grain pyrodex load you are at twice the power of an 3-band enfield the general load was 75 to 90 grains depending on where in the empire you were stationed. in china it was 78.

[Vasquez]

vas,

when you can prove you've learned from a knowledgable master post a vid and invite dale to it.

if you believe that it is a faith system then develop your faith in that system and practice the technique with deep wounds.

part of the technique is from the healing arts. part from moving qi qong. part from iron palm. the actual story relate it as "iron flat" which could be misinterpreted as "iron shirt".

to practice the technique from a traditional POV: get an expert archer to 'william tell' you. if you can block the arrows at a distance of 7 yards you are on the right track for skill development. a light arrow at seven yards is going abiout as fast as a .45 to .56 caliber musketball at 300 yards. these balls weighed between 1/4 to 3/4 ounce. if you used a black powder rifle that can take a 150 grain pyrodex load you are at twice the power of an 3-band enfield the general load was 75 to 90 grains depending on where in the empire you were stationed. in china it was 78.

lots of numbers but wha's your point?

[Dale Dugas]

Nothing as the two of you are totally insane.

Your the laughing stocks of KFO, if you didnt figure it out yet.

Go figure...

[Vasquez]

Nothing as the two of you are totally insane.

Your the laughing stocks of KFO, if you didnt figure it out yet.

Go figure...

I'm not asking you to stop a 0.50 cal bullet.

[Dale Dugas]

NO you are asking me to believe you are anything but the total nutter that you are. Have you no fear V, as unlike others I really dont mind you and the other trolls/fools we meet here on KFO.

You are the very reason I teach privately as I would not even let you in the door no matter the size of the Hung Bao.

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Thanks for the entertainment son.

Mucho Gracias,

Dale

[anton]

Vasquez = ROT ?

[Vasquez]

NO you are asking me to believe you are anything but the total nutter that you are. Have you no fear V, as unlike others I really dont mind you and the other trolls/fools we meet here on KFO.

You are the very reason I teach privately as I would not even let you in the door no matter the size of the Hung Bao.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

Thanks for the entertainment son.

Mucho Gracias,

Dale

Before you laugh, know that the shaolins were defeated by troops with cannons. That is surely more powerful than a 50 cal bullet

[YuanZhideDiZhen]

Before you laugh, know that the shaolins were defeated by troops with cannons. That is surely more powerful than a 50 cal bullet

the british took canon with them just about every where. it was the french who were a little more conservative. besides canon don't roll too well in jungle.

regaurding the numbers...
the french discovered that the ball could be discharged and still be lethal with as few 76 grains but it needed extra umph to penetrate more than a few yards of the jungle. previously, or rather, in previous expansionist periods the french and english were enguaging thier enemies at much greater ranges, thus more powder being used. in the 1880's three band enfields were being replaced with a number of weapons: in egypt there was a 14guage shotgun, Lee-Metfield breach rifles, and Lee-Enfield Blackpowder Metallic Cartridge rifles. the Hong Kong brigade's weapons were 3-bander muskets with measures set for 78 grains. around 1890 they were replaced with the modern smokeless powder #1 enfield rifle. but all of the english ( and english supported chinese) were not using the same equipment until much later.

[Lu Bu]

I hope that no "Iron Shirt" techniques anyone here learns came from the boxer rebellion's participants. They did get massacred, after all. Doesn't seem like it worked too well for them, soooooooo...yeah.