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  1. 06-10-2005, 07:01 AM #1
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    TKD Instructor as Expert Witness versus MMA Lawyer

    I thought you all might find ths entertaining.

    http://mma.tv/TUF/index.cfm?ac=ListM...12&FID=2&pc=18

    ...I joined this case late. Don't even ask how it got this far. I swear to God it isn't my fault.

    ...I am involved in a nasty divorce case. It involves domestic violence. The husband(I represent the wife) is a brown belt in TKD. He is trying to call as an expert in martial arts his instructor. The instructor's testimony would be that if he had hit his wife, he would have killed her with his "deadly training." I got a chance to deposition the "expert" today. One part went something like this:

    Q: You said that you are a 5 time world champion correct?

    A: Yes.

    Q: I've never heard of you. 5 time world champion in what?

    A: I am a five time Master's Division Champion in TKD. 2 time advanced forms champion and 3 time advanced weapons forms champion.

    Q: So you never fought anybody for those championships?

    A: No, however I have trained for over twenty years.

    Q: Sounds like you were training for a dance competition. Describe how being a 2 time forms champion makes you an expert in fighting?

    A: We fight against imaginary opponents, kind of like boxers shadow box.

    Q: So you fight against imaginary opponents that don't hit back and day dream about how bad you could hurt somebody if you really hit them?

    (Objection, misstating and manipulating testimony. Has to answer anyway.)

    A: No, it is for focus. Don't doubt for a minute the power that I possess.

    It was a riot. This **** went on for 2 hours. I am objecting to him as an expert. I live in Fort Lauderdale, FL so if the judge allows him, I will use Charles McCarthy as my expert. "Your Honor, the only way to decide who the true expert is is to let them fight. The expert who wins can testify."
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  2. 06-10-2005, 08:18 AM #2
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    That's a riot!!! And the husband is a dumba$$ for arguing that his techniques are too deadly for domestic abuse!
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    AND, yea, a good bit of it is about whether you can fight with what you know...kinda all of it is about that.
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    I can see the humor in that!!!

    I hate to show my dumba$$ness, but who's Charles McCarthy?

    I'm guessing a MMA guy, but I don't follow the fight circuit much.
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    Charles McCarthy was in this past weekend's UFC. He got nailed with a viscious spinning back kick from David Loiseau.

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    http://www.wirelesslanparty.com/mma/...20McCarthy.WMV
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    I enjoyed this response just as much:

    Here's a little bit of serious advice.
    Q. You are claiming that if Mr. Smith hit Mrs. Smith that he would seriously injure Ms. Smith, correct?

    Q. Does martial arts training give you the ability to regulate the intensity of your punches?

    Q. Can you hit both hard and soft

    Q. How hard can you hit?

    Q. How soft can you hit?

    Q. Can you hit harder than a non-trained person?

    Q. Can you hit softer than a non-trained person?

    Q. I am not a trained martial artist. Can you hit softer than me?

    Q. Let's have a demonstration. You hit me as soft as you can, and then I'll hit you as soft as I can. We'll see whether the trained martial artist can regulate his punches better than the non-trained person.

    [Martial arts master hits you very softly, thus demonstrating his awesome control. Then, and here come the good part, you knock him out and stipulate that he is qualified as an expert.]
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    AND, yea, a good bit of it is about whether you can fight with what you know...kinda all of it is about that.
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    I'm sorry; I missed something. Was this lawyer Charles McCarthy?
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    AND, yea, a good bit of it is about whether you can fight with what you know...kinda all of it is about that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Judge Pen
    I'm sorry; I missed something. Was this lawyer Charles McCarthy?
    No, read the last paragraph again
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    Boy does that sound like a fun day at work. This guy has no idea what he's in for.
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    Quote Originally Posted by truewrestler
    No, read the last paragraph again
    Ok, I breeze these forums fairly quickly when at work. Good stuff.
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    AND, yea, a good bit of it is about whether you can fight with what you know...kinda all of it is about that.
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    Tae Kwon Do sucks ...... there, I said it
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    yeah cause we all know forms are dances

    just another mma person who only understands the basics. brute force and strength = everything to them. and unfortunetly in this modern world its what works. oh wait. let me get my gun
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    C'mon if that guy was really trying to argue that the defendant would've killed/maimed his wife if he had hit her (due to his deadly TKD training), he deserved to get called out on his BS by anyone who has an ounce of knowledge about functional MA. Anyone, regardless of style, who'd try to make an argument like that is obviously a phony with delusions of grandeur. Nevermind the fact that he could be trying to get a wife beating scumbag off the hook with his "expert" testimony. Heck I'm sure there's plenty of sensible TKD experts who'd call that guy an idiot. It just reeks of that pseudo aura of imagined deadliness so common among second rate MA'ists who've never been in a real fight in their lives.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DragonzRage
    C'mon if that guy was really trying to argue that the defendant would've killed/maimed his wife if he had hit her (due to his deadly TKD training), he deserved to get called out on his BS by anyone who has an ounce of knowledge about functional MA. Anyone, regardless of style, who'd try to make an argument like that is obviously a phony with delusions of grandeur. Nevermind the fact that he could be trying to get a wife beating scumbag off the hook with his "expert" testimony. Heck I'm sure there's plenty of sensible TKD experts who'd call that guy an idiot. It just reeks of that pseudo aura of imagined deadliness so common among second rate MA'ists who've never been in a real fight in their lives.

    very good young one.
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  14. 06-11-2005, 08:13 PM #14
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    What a ******* TKD freak. TKD sucks anyways, but I won't get into that so I'll leave it there.

    You're front Ft. Lauderdale? There's a good CLF school there. . . don't know why I'm saying this but whatever, lol.

    Good luck in your case. Peace
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  15. 06-13-2005, 07:45 AM #15
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    FYI, this is a re-post from another forum...I have nothing to do with the case
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