Tan Saus....LOTS of Tan Saus.....LOL

[vingtsunstudent]

hi all
ok so i might have lost a few people with what i was saying in my earlier post but i am sure if we were able to all sit down, i would be able to give a clear demonstration of what i mean.
as to tan sao, although the tans may all come from(or start at) different positions the only difference is the way your force is used(especially from the elbow)or the angle in relation to your centre depending on their apex of force.
it is still a tan sao if the palm is up & you are simutaneously attacking.(if it was something else it would have another name ?)
the only time tan sao will look different is if it is applied in the upside down position, as in the second form.
vts

[flavour54]

The way that the tan sau gets to it's final location in each instance in Sil lum tao is different therefore each of them are important.

"take the pebble from my hand"The old monk from the TV show"Kung Fu"

"I just go at it as best I can"
Benny the Legend.

[melfid]

Hi Mr. Lo, Siging73

Can you continue this thread please? It is really interesting.

Mr Lo - I think you were about to make a point. I can feel it - but I am left hanging.

Sihing73 - One Taun? If its simple - I can argue that we should give up the current 1st form set and do one tan, one bong, one fook and since we've covered the seeds of WC the first form would be done! hhehe - just kidding. I really would like to know more abou tyour idea.

Thanks,
Dan

[Sharky]

A great thread.

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"What you wan' cry fo? You know that my hammer is heavy and it got kick like tae kwon do, now you gwarn die slow... I'ma show you how to stretch a m0ther****er if you wanna watch tae bo"

[dzu]

The tan sau doesn't exist by itself. It is created by the opponent's force or the jing you want to use. Anything else is just a pose. How many ways can you spread or disperse the force? Are all forces you encounter the same? There are an infinite number of tan saus in WC and also only one.

Dzu

[reneritchie]

Hey Dzu, I think I'm starting to hear gongs sound at the end of your replies ;)

Actually, that pretty well sums up my current thinking on a lot of WCK (the one and infinite, not the gong). We have concepts simple in essance and fairly unlimited in application. Since neither one nor infinite is a particularly useful number for a student, however, we tend to come up with 3 or 8 or whatever number of examples and chew on them for a while until they're digested into understanding. Then, when contact is made, the opponent tells you exactly what shape, path, and power will defeat them.

Sean- FWIW, in Sum Nung Wing Chun Kuen, we don't call all those three Tan Sao. The first one we call Tan Sao (Dispersing Arm), the second Tun Sao (Swallowing Arm), and the third Chum Jarn Gao Sao (Sinking Elbow Saving Arm). Each one has a different shape, path, and power. There's also another Tan-like hand just before the double Biu Jee (Darting Fingers) that shows another example. As above, I found those examples helpful in the beginning not to get locked into any one rigid example nor get lost in unfocused variation.

Rgds,

Rene Ritchie

[Sharky]

"Hey Dzu, I think I'm starting to hear gongs sound at the end of your replies"

CLASSIC!

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"What you wan' cry fo? You know that my hammer is heavy and it got kick like tae kwon do, now you gwarn die slow... I'ma show you how to stretch a m0ther****er if you wanna watch tae bo"

[TjD]

you asked to think about how the tan fook and wu motions in the beginning of SLT are used in application
:)

and i know awhile ago someone posted how their sifu actually switched the directions

anyhow, if you look at the single handed dan chi sau routine, ( tan -> palm strike -> bong ) vs ( fook -> wu (jut) -> punch )
you see that the way the energy is trained in SLT is the same as the one handed drill :) and this is the basis of normal chi sau

but it all really gets back to what energy your opponent is sending to you :) there is no tan sau without an opponent

peace
travis

Receive what comes, Escort what leaves, and if there is an opening, rush in

[dzu]

"Hey Dzu, I think I'm starting to hear gongs sound at the end of your replies."


Uh oh..does that mean you're going to pull a lever and a trap door will open beneath my feet? :D

Dzu

[reneritchie]

LOL! Nope. I was thinking eastern, not western. I meant the kind that would usually be followed by heads knocking on the tiles and murmurs of profundity ;)

BTW- I think the motions of Dan Chi Sao (whether you do them in sequence like Yip Man's HK students) or loose like in other branches, teach the nuts and bolts of tan, fook, wu, chum, and the way in which WCK intent focuses on the opponent's center (even when seeming to go back or down, etc.) As things get more dynamic, however, I also think they serve as the keys to the rather amazing (to me at least) way some of the top WCK people seem to be able to toss others around (and down) so suddenly.

Rgds,

Rene Ritchie

[TjD]

the more i understand the 3 hands of wing chun, the easier it is for me to throw people around :)

peace
trav

Receive what comes, Escort what leaves, and if there is an opening, rush in

[Roy D. Anthony]

There are many methods of naming techniques. The techniques seemingly to have an open palm-up are usually nicknamed Tan Sao. However, many techniques are also named by their function. Therefore, to say that there is only one tan may be inappropriate, as well as very appropriate! In our System we have 4 Single varied Tans and 2 double varied Tans.

[burnsypoo]

Hi Roy, care to elaborate on how you see these different types of tan saus?
-bp-

[Roy D. Anthony]

Correction:4 singles (aside from the ones done after every strike)and 3 doubles.My Apologies.