Li Pi Quan

[blackmantis]

Hi everybody,

does anyone study this form? is Kua Hu (Riding the Tiger) posture the end of the form?

many thanks,

S

[Three Harmonies]

I end essentially in Mantis Catches Cicada, but I do not officially know what the move is called since I do not have the chuan pu.

Sorry I cannot be of more help.
Jake

[Shaolin Master]

跨虎捕蝉 - Kua hu bu chan.

[K.Brazier]

In Gm Wei's book Practical Application of Mantis Fist he includes the enclosed picture calling it tang lang bu chan-mantis seizes the cicada.
But, here he also calls it the "empty posture."

BTW, also included in this pic are interesting facts about this posture.

In his manuscript of the lipi form he calls this posture
"gou lou feng shou" when the posture appears at the beginning of the form.

The gou lou being familiar to everyone from gou lou tsai as in the 1st 3 of 12 keywords in 7* mantis(gou lou tsai gua etc...).
shou-hand
feng -seal

The posture appears again at the end of the form and here it is called
"che bu gou lou feng shou"
che bu meaning to step back which is instantly obvious to anyone who has done this form.

In 7* PM especially from HK as it is best known this posture is often called "tang lang bu chan"
or "kua hu bu chan" as posted by Shaolin Master.

Tang lang bu chan-mantis seizes the cicada
kua hu bu chan-riding tiger seizing cicada.

I have noticed in Wutan publications of Taiwan that they have rewritten this manuscript of Wei's lipi form so that the 1st and last posture of the form are now called "tang lang bu chan"

I highly suspect that this is from being influenced by Huang Hanxun's many published books.

In other Mantis styles besides 7*, mainly those styles descending from Liang Xuexiang this posture is rarely if ever called tang lang bu chan.

Instead we have names such as "tang lang shuang feng xia"
Mantis double seals downward.
Or "tang lang shuang feng shou"
Mantis double seal.

I should mention that this term also appears in Shandong 7*, though I do not know how often it is used.

Also, names such as " yin yang to left and right"

Since Wei is of the Liang Xuexiang lineage then it seems that the name used should follow that as written in his manuscript.

[blackmantis]

I study the eight-step mantis style from Shaolin, I believe that 7* has a similar but different Li Pi Quan form...

In eight-step mantis, is Li Pi an advanced form does anyone know?

Thank you for all your help!

S

[RAF]

http://www.secretsoftheorient.com/se.../Wu%20Tang.htm

Lee Pee (Li Pi) A very powerful from from the BABO or
EIGHT STEP PRAYING MANTIS system. This form is
considered an excellent form for fighting purposes. 22
min.
WT 54

Tang Lang Hand (Tang Lang Shou) This instructor's
form, employs many throws in addition to the "slapping
hand" of Praying Mantis. 30 min.
WT 55

Tsai Kway (Zai Kui. Tony referred to this as Mimen)
This is a "closed door form" and has many exciting
techniques . 27 min.
WT 56

The Wu Tang Forms are being offered at the present
time as performed by Sifu Yang Shu-Ton who was born
and raised in Taiwan.


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I can't answer your question directly but you may want to see a copy of the the Li Pi tape which was made in the 1980s---not self-promotion here because we nolonger hold the rights to the tape(s).

[Three Harmonies]

Depends on what you mean by advanced form? It is my personal belief that their are no level of forms in Mantis, as each set has a specific focus to develope your fighting prowess. All Mantis forms are challenging and difficult in their own right. Li Pi is usually the second set taught in Babu Tanglang after Qi Shou. So for what it is worth......

Cheers
Jake

[mantis108]

You practically gave away the secret! Careful, we might have to send some ninjas after you. lol... Just kidding.

Seriously, thanks for sharing such a wonderful page. I love it when real and useful information is recorded in so few descriptive words. The essence of the stance is so vividly described. Truely a master's work. There's an adage that goes like "Pugilistic form can be taught, while the footwork shouldn't be taught; if the footwork is taught, the student is going to beat (surpass) the master." So one can see the importants of footwork. But then this page just taught the footwork already. So...

As usual, your post is excellent! Mr. Brazier. Thanks for sharing.

Warmest regards

Robert

[blackmantis]

Sorry to restart such an old thread again!! Just have two questions...

1) Is Li Pi Straight-sword, just Lipi done holding a sword- is the structure the same? Or is it different but just with similar ideas?

2) Is the two person Li Pi form just one person doing Lipi and another blocking and reacting, or is it different again?

Many thanks!!

S

[Three Harmonies]

BM
Their is no such thing as Lipi straight sword in the traditional Babu Tanglang system!
Cheers
Jake

[blackmantis]

Oh really? Okay, what about the two person form?

S

[Forkintheroad]

Jake's right, there is not a Li Pi sword form, but there is a two man form, one of the only 3 two man forms in 8 step.

[blackmantis]

I see, I was really wondering how it relates to the original single person form. Is the two person Li Pi form just one person doing Lipi and another blocking and reacting, or is it different again?

S

[EarthDragon]

Lipi sword form? Andy Miles you are entertaining.. is this a form taught only in indoor/non public/diciple students such as yourself? or to you as part of your $5,000.00 Sifu secret advanced cirriculum? because I, nor anyone else has ever heard of it. I am curious as to who taught this to you and for what reason. Is it power cut holding a a Jian????? Please explain to the board. thanks

[Kagero]

Lipi Straight sword is taught after the sets grade (red sash), so if you were still with the Federation you would of known this by now. You make me laugh