Yi Jin Jing

[SifuPaladin]

Let me get this straight.....you are being critical of cave paintings or frescoes from hundreds of years ago?

I didn't realize those were cave paintings, apparently I wasn't paying particularly close attention to this thread. I was thinking it was some sort of visual guide as to how to do it... as a cave painting, that makes a lot more sense.

[Scott R. Brown]

I didn't realize those were cave paintings, apparently I wasn't paying particularly close attention to this thread. I was thinking it was some sort of visual guide as to how to do it... as a cave painting, that makes a lot more sense.

No, No....I embellished mickey's post. He was saying he saw pictures in a yoga journal of frescoes from the Tun Huang caves in China that did not resemble those pictures at all. Tun huang were the caves where they found something close to 10,000 manuscripts on topics ranging from inane lists to the earliest known Ch'an writings. I was taking poetic license in order to give you a hard time.

Sal didn't actually tell us where he got the photo....yet. I hope!

[GeneChing]

I'm sorely tempted to move this to the Shaolin forum, but I know it's an attempt of Sal's to get some more activity going here, so I won't.

Diagram of Shaolin Muscle Tendon Change Classic (Shaolin Yijinjing) Poster (Shi Deqian's version)

Shaolin Muscle-Tendon Change Classic DVD (Shi Deqian's version)

Muscle-Tendon Change Classic (Yijinjing) DVD with instruction manual (CHQA version)

I wrote an article on this long ago, but I'm can't remember where I published it. I'm thinking it was World of Martial Arts but that hasn't been e-indexed so I'd have to do a manual search. I'll get back to you on this when I find that again.

[kfson]

I'm sorely tempted to move this to the Shaolin forum, but I know it's an attempt of Sal's to get some more activity going here, so I won't.

Diagram of Shaolin Muscle Tendon Change Classic (Shaolin Yijinjing) Poster (Shi Deqian's version)

Shaolin Muscle-Tendon Change Classic DVD (Shi Deqian's version)

Muscle-Tendon Change Classic (Yijinjing) DVD with instruction manual (CHQA version)

I wrote an article on this long ago, but I'm can't remember where I published it. I'm thinking it was World of Martial Arts but that hasn't been e-indexed so I'd have to do a manual search. I'll get back to you on this when I find that again.

I have that info also. My instructor gave us more info than what was described in the videos such as specific points and meridians on the body to concentrate on during each exercise. He is a doctor of oriental medicine, though.
And again, he said if you practice long enough, you can simply do the exercise in your mind and get the same result.

[uki]

And again, he said if you practice long enough, you can simply do the exercise in your mind and get the same result.

mind is the path...

[Sal Canzonieri]

Hi Sal,

Those paintings (wood cut?) look nothing like the stuff I saw in the yoga journal several years ago with regard to the Tunhuang frescoes. Even though the caves were considered a "20th Century find" I believe that the place was a well known place, seldom discussed to members outside the spiritual community.

mickey

The image I posted was of an ancient Daoyin book (more like posters, kinda like the Dead Sea Scrolls were) that was found.

I also read that, supposedly, a Taoist text was found that predated the Shaolin Yi jin Jing books (not hard to do) that actually showed the same movements, but as a Taoist nei gung under a different name.

[Sal Canzonieri]

Yes, while I was able to recognize a couple of the gestures depicted in that image, I have to say that the artist took quite the artistic license in drawing it in my opinion. For the most part I found the moves rather unrecognizable, and found many entire parts of Yi Jin Jing not depicted (so far as I could tell that is) at all.

It's not the Yi jin Jing, it was an image of Daoyin movements found in some ancient source.

[Sal Canzonieri]

If you want a really good source of information, one of the best books in English is the "Ancient Way to Keep Fit", it shows all the various neigong sets from very ancient times that clearly influenced the development of the Ba Dun Jin (8 Section Brocade - you can't separate that set from the Yi Jin Jing set, they are necessary together), and it shows the Ming dynasty version of the set as compared to the Qing dynasty Shaolin version. All the names for the movements in the Ming era version are named after methods for working with heavy bags of rice, farmer's methods, whereas the Shaolin names for the movements are typically Shaolin style poetic terms:
http://www.amazon.com/Ancient-Way-Ke...0&sr=1-1-spell

Also, if you read Chinese, two volumes of a special series on the Yi Jin Jing, just about everything ever known about this set are available in these books (look down the page for them):

http://www.plumpub.com/sales/lionbks...aleditions.htm

if you seriously want to dig deep into these sets, then I recommend you start here.

[Sal Canzonieri]

From my own research on Ming era Shaolin, I have seen something that relates to the Yi Jin Jing but wasn't called that yet:

According to a hand written book that has been passed down from the late Ming era to today called Shaolin Wu Quanpu manual (少林五拳譜), the Shaolin Ming era Shaolin arts were passed on through the generations from (Ming dynasty Hong Wu era) Monk Jue Yuan to Monk Yi Guan to secular Cao Wangting (曹王廷) of Shaanxi, who passed it on to a layman named Teng Heizi. Then during the Qing dynasty it passed to a lay person by the name of Liu Qingchao of Shandong Shou County, next it was passed on to a Zhang Junwe, a layman in Raoyang County in Shandong, then to Feng Yan, and finally to a layman named Niu Hanzhang (1898- 1975).

In it:

This 少林五拳譜 book passed on to Niu Hangzhang shows a complete system of Shaolin martial arts taught in this ancient lineage, including:
Standing Gong (Exercises or Skills) - 樁功 (八字, 一字, 川字, 子午樁);
Slipping Legs Frame (methods) - 溜腿架 (十字, 四正, 四隅三套);
18 Section Child Gong - 十八段童子功;
18 Section Luohan Gong - 十八段羅漢功;
Luohan 18 Hands - 羅漢十八手;
Changed Transforming 15 hands (Bian Hua 15 Shou) - 變化十五手;
Shaolin 5 Fist - 少林五拳,
Drunken 8 Immortals - 醉八仙;
Orthodox Shaolin Boxing 10 Times - 正宗少林拳十趟 :
1 四旬開進式 – 40 Open Entrance Methods,
2 六旬四方式 – 64 Direction Methods ,
3 八旬盤身式 – 80 Coiling Body Methods,
4 八方變通式 – 8 Direction Changing Through Methods,
5 化頤六合式 – Transforming Nourishing Six Harmony Methods,
6 陰陽中合式 – Yin Yang Center Harmony Methods,
7 鴛鴦進步連環腿 – Mandarin Duck Advancing Step Linked Kicks,
8 盤膝陰手式 – Coiled Knees Yin Hands Methods,
9 震伏順意式 – Shaking Submit to Obey Thoughts Methods, and
10 震靜机動式 – Shaking Still Secret Methods;
18 Times Luohan Boxing (consisting of 18 different unnamed hand sets) – 十八趟羅漢拳;
Shaolin Hard Soft 24 Postures – 少林刚柔二十四势;
Shaolin 36 Hands Walking / Traveling School Cross Steps – 少林三十六手行门过步;
Shaolin Cutting Hands Way of 16 Hands – 少林裁手法十六手;
360 Scattered Hands (San Shou) – 三百六十散手;
Neigong (internal exercises) Qi/Air Techniques - 內功气術;
Intersecting Hands Method Secrets Class – 交手法訣等;
many weapons sets (such as: 八仙剑, 八仙醉剑, 穿云双剑, 六路进化戟, 开山大斧, 朝天大钺, 连环钩, 檀香双拐, 流行锤, 鞭, 锏, 锤, 抓, 镗, 狼牙棒, 搠镢, 棒, 花枪, 单刀, 七节钉, 三节棍, 匕手, 钩镰枪, 梢子棍, 铁尺, 连子锤, 板斧, 子午鸳鸯钺, 判官双笔, 手拯子, 鹅眉刺, 双蓝, 少林缩身摆莲地躺剑, 少林地躺双刀, 少林地躺七节鞭 );
Li Sou’s Shaolin Staff methods – 李叟所传少林棍法;
8 Coiling Linking Staff - 八盘连环棍;
Division into 7 methods and 8 points - 分七法八点,
Stick secret song – 棍诀歌, and also
66 Posture Stick Chart 66 - 六十六势棍谱.

Bai Yufeng also taught the "18 Luohan Hands qigong exercises”, which had first started being practiced at Shaolin in the Song dynasty and by the Jin Dynasty became known as the “Eight Section Brocade”, which later changed into the “Yi Jinjing” 12 Postures. Niu’s Shaolin quan pu book passes on Bai Yufeng’s record of the 18 Luohan Hands method:
1. 朝天直举 (一手) – Face Upwards Vertical Rise;
2. 排山运掌 (共四手) – Row of Mountains Moving Palms;
3. 黑虎伸腰（四手) – Black Tiger Stretches Waist;
4. 鹰翼舒展 (一手) – Eagle Wings stretch spread;
5. 辑肘钩胸 (一手) – Gather elbows hook chest;
6. 挽弓开膈 (一手) – Pull Bow Open Diaphragm;
7. 金豹露爪 (一手) – Golden Leopard Presents Claws;
8. 腿力跌荡 (三手) – Legs Forcibly Drop Move;
9. 钩腿盘旋 (三手) – Hook Legs Coil Revolve.

As it can be seen, Bai Yufeng actually passed on these 18 Luohan exercises, and not Damo (Bodhidharma), as legends later began to say.

This was perhaps the earliest root of the Yi Jin Jing, under the name "18 Luohan Hands Qigong Exercises".
The material I researched mentioned that this material that Bai Yufeng taught had earlier been a major influence during the Yuan Dynasty on Zhang Sanfeng, during his stay at Shaolin.

Also, Bai Yufeng was Taoist trained, from Shanxi. It said that this internal art had died out at Shaolin by the end of the Yuan dynasty after a serious destruction of the temple by bandits. By the time Jue Yuan and Bai Yuefeng reached Shaolin, it was a desolate place, they are the ones that began to revitalize it. With them, they brought Li Sou, who introduced the Shanxi Hong Quan staff methods that completely transformed Shaolin into a mecca for martial arts a hundred years later.

[Sal Canzonieri]

http://neigong.net/wp-content/gallery/qigong/daoyin.jpg

this image is of this:

In 1974, at the Ma-Wang-Dui Tombs in Changsha of Central China's Hunan Province, China's archaeologists found a dao yin picture. It was China's earliest extant painting of healthy movement, created at the end of 3th century BC.

What it looked like before "restoration":
http://www.hnmuseum.com/hnmuseum/eng...wd/2-2-6-1.jpg

More info:
http://www.egreenway.com/taichichuan/esb.htm

[Sal Canzonieri]

Lots of good information about Yi Jin Jing in English:

http://www.egreenway.com/qigong/yijinjing.htm

about Ba Dun Jin:
http://www.egreenway.com/taichichuan/esb.htm

The path of progression over time:
Very Ancient Taoist Daoyin >
Ancient Taoist Ba Duan Jin (Sui and Tang dynasties) >
Shi Er (12) Duan Jin of Yue Fei (Song dynasty) >
18 Luohan Gong of Shaolin (Yuan and Ming Dynasty) >
Yi Jin Jing - Taoist/Shaolin merger (Qing dynasty).

[mawali]

It's not the Yi jin Jing, it was an image of Daoyin movements found in some ancient source.

I have looked at the Daoyin movements and they share much of Baduanjin iconography. Perhaps baduanjin movements were copied (from Daoyin tu!!) and designed to match the 'divine' 8 by concentrating on specific section of the meridian systems.
Have you looked at Livia Kohn's body of work? She does mention a few systems known as "Daoyin" but they are more a neo-Daoyin/neo Daoist "redesign" (for lack of a better wording). It is difficul to tell with the various level of revisionism present within CMA.

[Xiao3 Meng4]

I recently came across an essay called Kung-fu, or Tauist medical gymnastics by John Dudgeon, M.D., C.M. Published in 1895 by Tientsin press in a book called The Beverages of the Chinese; Kung-fu; or, Tauist medical gymnastics; the population of China; a modern Chinese anatomist; and a chapter in Chinese surgery.

The entire essay is available online here. It includes postures and movements, the times to do them, and what herbs to take with the exercise. I tried finding out where they came from... the author is repeating a claim by another researcher that this curriculum comes from Lan Zhou, in Gan Su province.

According to Du Halde, the residence of the Chief of the Tauists, called the Celestial Doctor (T‘ien Sze), is in the department of Kan-chou Fu, in the province of Kansuh, a mountainous country which furnishes an extraordinary abundance of medicinal plants. There is the central establishment for the teaching of the doctrine. They possess secondary establishments, one of the most considerable being that in Kiangsi, where a crowd of sick come together from all parts, in search of a remedy for their ills. (Dudgeon, 1895, P. 95)

[ghostexorcist]

I just finished a university course on martial arts and religion. The "final" was a lengthy paper and an accompanying video describing the written piece. I'm attaching the video here to get some feedback from the community. You'll notice I used the word "yoga" in place of "daoyin" because the former term is more well known. I wanted my video to appeal to a wider audience. Also, I refer to the author of the Yijin Jing as "Purple Elixir Daoist" as opposed to "Purple Coagulated Man of the Way." Shahar suggests the former is another possible reading because of the exercise's association with internal alchemy. I personally like this reading better. I'll post a link to the paper in the future. It's completed and turned it, but I was short on time while making the video and writing the paper. I want to rewrite the piece and add in more information before others read it.

[SoCo KungFu]

I just finished a university course on martial arts and religion. The "final" was a lengthy paper and an accompanying video describing the written piece. I'm attaching the video here to get some feedback from the community. You'll notice I used the word "yoga" in place of "daoyin" because the former term is more well known. I wanted my video to appeal to a wider audience. Also, I refer to the author of the Yijin Jing as "Purple Elixir Daoist" as opposed to "Purple Coagulated Man of the Way." Shahar suggests the former is another possible reading because of the exercise's association with internal alchemy. I personally like this reading better. I'll post a link to the paper in the future. It's completed and turned it, but I was short on time while making the video and writing the paper. I want to rewrite the piece and add in more information before others read it.

Why could I never have college courses like that?

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