8step linked fist

[rickyscaggs]

What's the relationship between the basic Lian Huan Quan and Ba Bu Lian Huan Quan, if any? Why are they called "linked fist"?

I think I have seen this 8 step form once. I'm pretty sure that's the form. Can anyone explain a few moves in it or link me to something about it. I'm wondering if what I saw is Ba Bu Lian Huan Quan.

[K.Brazier]

Hi Ricky. Here is a link to the 2 man version I teach.
This is from my babu lien huan chuen video.

Kevin


http://www.rochesterkungfu.com/multimedia/babu2man.mov

[rickyscaggs]

Oh, I've seen that single person form before. It's almost exactly like what the guy starting on the left does. I also saw a video of a single person form, which I think is Ba Bu Lian Huan Quan that looked similar. It was done by a Shaolin disciple though.

Towards the end there is a double punch to the right in bow stance and a double punch to the left in bow stance. That's where the first one I saw ended. But this other one by the Shaolin disciple kept going with a part that was very similar to Xiao Luo Han Quan.

[Chizica]

Make sure you show the proper respect towards "the guy on the left" as that is Shifu Brazier himself....

[rickyscaggs]

Ok, I obviously don't know him.

[Chizica]

link at the bottom of my sig. Between Shifu Brazier and Shifu Martello, these two are the most knowledgeable guys, othen than the Masters who know the Ba Bu or 8 Step system. If your looking to get info, it would be in your best interest to email one of them. They are nice enough to answer most questions when they aren't as busy training/teaching/working.

[rickyscaggs]

Ba Bu Tang Lang? That's praying mantis. It's different than the form I'm talking about. Ba Bu Lian Huan Quan practiced from the Shaolin Temple forms. There is a short Lian Huan Quan that is a basic form. And there is a longer one, Ba Bu. I'm looking for info on this form. Or if anyone can explain a couple steps at the beginning or end to see if it's the same form I saw a Shaolin disciple performing.

[K.Brazier]

Chizica,
Thanks for the nice words.

Ricky,
This form is called Shaolin Babu Lien huan Chuen.
People often think it is babu mantis becuase I put a clip of it on the babu Mantis site.

It is said that it is from the Eage Claw style and is included in some Eagle Claw curriculums. I like this form becuase the moves are all in commomn with the Mantis style.

In fact, this form does not look like the tradional Shaolin of Henan that I have seen.

[Chizica]

My mistake. There isn't any Shaolin style other than Hung Gar taught in this area so I'm not familiar with the style. My ignorance shines through. A thousand pardons.

[Shaolinlueb]

Hi Ricky. Here is a link to the 2 man version I teach.
This is from my babu lien huan chuen video.

Kevin


http://www.rochesterkungfu.com/multimedia/babu2man.mov

thats totally weird man. we do that same form. but we call it cannon 1 instead.
are you guys a mantis school only? what else do you do. Kevin would like to talk to you through PM.
http://www.nacma.net/demo/wong2004%2...uebCannon1.WMV
is this the same form? i performed it a while ago. its okay.

[K.Brazier]

Shaolinlueb,
1st off, just let me say that your performance is full of enthusiastic energy!

It is the same form no doubt. But if yours has a 2 man counterpart it must be quite different from my 2 man version.

I have several cases of documentable proof that this form is called Shaolin ba bu lien huan chuen.

Why your school uses that name I can not say. Cases of schools changing names of forms are not rare.
1. religoius reasons.
2. to fit in with other names of another teachers curriculum.
3. owing to dialect difference name was passed and new characters cause the name to change
4. forgot and made it up.
5. didn't get the name and made it up.

cannon 1 is an odd name.
I would think the chinese name may have been pao chuei yi lu.
This signifies that you must have another similar form.
is that right?

My style is Mantis, but I learn a few other things. Another similar form to this is
Shoulin Luohan 18 Hands.

[Shaolin Master]

Shaolin Babulianhuanquan displayed and the 18 luohans hands : aren't they the same as presented by Cai Longyun a few decades ago? Both have 2 man counterparts and very similar features/rhythm.

The performance was tight but some movements were a little unlinked, and in fact a little different to what I have seen as the two man would not work smoothly with the movements as performed. But of course good skill shown.

The Shaolin Lianhuanquan bears no relationship to the 8 step.

[Shaolinlueb]

Shaolinlueb,
1st off, just let me say that your performance is full of enthusiastic energy!

It is the same form no doubt. But if yours has a 2 man counterpart it must be quite different from my 2 man version.

I have several cases of documentable proof that this form is called Shaolin ba bu lien huan chuen.

Why your school uses that name I can not say. Cases of schools changing names of forms are not rare.
1. religoius reasons.
2. to fit in with other names of another teachers curriculum.
3. owing to dialect difference name was passed and new characters cause the name to change
4. forgot and made it up.
5. didn't get the name and made it up.

cannon 1 is an odd name.
I would think the chinese name may have been pao chuei yi lu.
This signifies that you must have another similar form.
is that right?

My style is Mantis, but I learn a few other things. Another similar form to this is
Shoulin Luohan 18 Hands.

brazier thanks, we do not have a 2 man set of this form. my sifu has scene one though performed. it was nice to see the two man set cause i never saw it before. we just train applications from that form.

[Vasquez]

Shaolin Babulianhuanquan displayed and the 18 luohans hands : aren't they the same as presented by Cai Longyun a few decades ago? Both have 2 man counterparts and very similar features/rhythm.

The performance was tight but some movements were a little unlinked, and in fact a little different to what I have seen as the two man would not work smoothly with the movements as performed. But of course good skill shown.

The Shaolin Lianhuanquan bears no relationship to the 8 step.

It could well have been a different branch or a temple stlye versus a village style.

[oasis]

wow...havent been reading the boards in a while and when i do, i come across an interesting find...

i've seen brazier's and lueb's clips before but it must've been prior to when i learned ba bu lian huan quan from my shaolin teacher, and they are right! their forms are the same. while i had to rewrind kevin's clip because he moves too fast, it was great seeing their two stylistic versions of the form.

the segment that leub's video starts at is the move before kevin's first kick. kevin's clip finishes at the 10 second mark in lueb's video.

ricky, i have one of de yang's dvds in which one of his students performs the form at the temple, and it ends like lueb did (double punch to the left, followed by closing in right empty stance). my classmates learned the form from de yang and his student when they visited the temple with my teacher a few years ago. come to think of it, i can see how perhaps lueb's school called it cannon because of the three double punches, or 'cannon fists' in the form.

leub, your form is done exactly how we do it except for a few extra moves ya'll threw in

as far as the relationship b/t lian huan and ba bu lian huan, after i learned the two i compared them and they definitely share a similar flavor in the structure of the form, in the linearity of their movements, and in their closing in empty stance. so i see the former as a more elementary form compared to the latter. in fact, on the dvd i have the forms are displayed back to back! hope that helps.