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    Small Idea about BodyFlow

    My understanding of the CST process of creating original movement is based upon my study of Circular Strength Training™™ and Body Flow. I am very much an infant in this department, and I am still trying to understand and to explore this subject. I guess years of previous conditioning led me to believe that there was nothing new under the sun and how was it possible to do something really original? Could I really do something original? There is also a part of me that believes in creating something original, because as I learned and grew in CST/Rmax, I realized we are always in a new position each time we move and explore. We are indeed unique, because we cannot duplicate anyone else's movements, and likewise, no one can ever copy us exactly. When we try to copy the master, we give up our ability to consciously be original, and we fail to be, in the moment, the now in the new time and space. If we lose the “to be” and try to capture the “been to” of others in terms of movement, then it is no wonder that there are less masterful people in the present physical cultures. The “to be” is the metaphysical in-between position in which people fail to place themselves. It is too small, too visible, and maybe gray that makes it so easily missed through the invisible eyes. However, through the CST/Rmax model, one is reminded to search and to discover the “to be” position in their own breathing, movement, and structure.

    CST's process of creating original movement involves the deconstruction of movements into its smaller parts or elementary motor components (EMC). These EMCs can make up biomechanical exercises (BME) or techniques, and within them, there are beginning, middle, and ending components. A basic way to understand this is to take a word and break it into its root meaning or alphabets. There are 26 alphabets (EMC) in the English language, and we can literately create thousands of words and millions of sentences (BME). Each sentence has a beginning, middle, and ending component. If we take this paradigm, we can create thousands of our own original movements instead of copying and looking for someone else's techniques. I believe we have a built in system to recognize movements and instantly to create new movements. Of course, like a baby’s learning curve for speaking and language skill, it will become more complex and sophisticated over time. So, too, our movements will develop in the same manner. In CST, we use our understanding of biomechanical exercises, kinetic chain methodology, and our intuition to create new movements. To create new biomechanical movements into a kinetic chain, we break down the movements into its basic parts and then look at its beginning, middle and ending components. From there, we Match, Patch, and Hem components together.

    The Match, Patch, and Hem process of stringing movements together requires much creativity and discovering the joy and power of the “to be” position. Another way of looking at the in-between moves and the “to be” position is in the study of chess which, to me, is an excellent way to study war and the psychology of performance. Playing chess is not for nerds or the physically challenged. I welcome anyone to visit NYC to let me introduce to you some mentally tough and seasoned street chess players, and you will see what I mean about war and the psychological study of performance under street trash talk, fear of losing your bet, and the stress of the clock ticking on your next move. In Chess, “Zwischenzug” is a German word that is used to describe an “in between move which is an unexpected reply, tossed in the middle of an expected sequence of moves.” In chess, body flow, martial arts, break dancing, as well as in life, it is the Zwischenzug that we are all in awe of and admire. Please think about this word when you witness an expected new move you see in body flow or CST. In my opinion, this word should be used in CST’s lexicon. I would also like to mention that Zwischenzug is not so obvious in chess, but it is present waiting to be discovered by us all. Back to the Match, Patch, Hem process, you can match the ending component of one BME to the beginning component of another BME. Then, you may Patch an additional component between the ending component of one BME and the beginning component of another BME. Finally you can Hem X numbers of components of one BME to Y numbers of components of another BME.

    As an experiment, I randomly chose a series of BMEs from the Body Flow book to see if I could create a series of new kinetic chains. I did not know if these things had been done before or if there were a name for this Kinetic chain? Remember that part of me that didn’t believe anything could be new under the sun? Well, I know that no one gave me these series of movements, and I used the CST process of making them. I randomly combined Long Arm Roll, Shin Box Switch, Leg Swoop, and Spinal Rock biomechanical exercises into a kinetic chain.

    I found myself in a seated ready position on the ground, moved into a left knee forward and right knee back shin box, and did a standing shin roll, but I didn’t complete this BME. I stopped at the Cossack squat component position and Hemmed it to the beginning component of the long arm roll. You see, I could not move from a seated ready position component straight into the long arm roll without first doing a standing shin roll, so I hemmed it. After the long arm roll, I wanted to get to the leg swoop, and I was in a position of assurance component but wondered how I was I going to get myself into a leg swoop? So I matched the ending component of long arm roll into the beginning component of a spinal rock, so I could get myself into the seated ready position component. From this component, I patched a shin box component into a knee switch and hemmed it into a leg swoop. After the one leg swoop, I matched it with a shin box switch which completed my new kinetic chain. From shin box switch, I matched it to a standing shin roll and started the kinetic chain again.

    This was an indeed awesome fun experiment that I realized I could be creative and express my own genius. Most importantly I discovered that even if I didn’t know about Patch, Match, Hem concept, my body knew this already. On a personal note, there were people looking at me and asked me where did I learned these series of movements from, who was my teacher, and what is my method called? I replied that my movement is based on my study of body flow, my teacher is Coach Scott Sonnon, I made up these series of movements myself just right now and my method is called “Baoism.” They became very interested in the idea of the creative process of CST and Rmax and then we all got down on the gym’s stretching mat area and started playing body flow.

    For more information about BodyFlow: http://www.rmax.tv/bodyflow.html
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    LORD MATTHEW,

    Very insightful.

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    After previewing the Fisticuffs and Leg Fencing videos, I am officially going to on the BodyFlow wagon. What's the best place to start?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vash
    After previewing the Fisticuffs and Leg Fencing videos, I am officially going to on the BodyFlow wagon. What's the best place to start?
    Vash,

    If you are serious then I would recommend that you start out with the basic such as Warrior Wellness. Study and practice WW level 1 daily for three months, if you have mastered level 1 and exploring level 2 then go for Bodyflow. However, you do not have to go through WW to get BF. However this would be a logical path of development.

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    Indeed, I am serious.

    Thanks for the recommendation. Few weeks after classes start, should have the spare change to start in on it.
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    Vash,

    I wish you the best in your training; if you any questions or concerns, please feel free to PM me.

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    Hi Bao,

    Do you know anything about Scrappers workouts (like MOD1) from www.trainforstrength.com. Just wondering how you thought it differed from bodyflow and if it would work together (by the way, I know pretty much nothing about either programs, but I'm looking into knew things to start).

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    Quote Originally Posted by stubbs
    Hi Bao,

    Do you know anything about Scrappers workouts (like MOD1) from www.trainforstrength.com. Just wondering how you thought it differed from bodyflow and if it would work together (by the way, I know pretty much nothing about either programs, but I'm looking into knew things to start).

    Cheers,

    Steve
    Steve,

    Coach Scrapper's bodyweight program is an excellent General Physical Preparedness workout which may increase muscular endurance, cardiovascular health, agility, and even develop lean muscle mass if you are deconditioned. I would highly recommend this program for anyone who is in a GPP phase or want an awesome general fitness program. It is a top notch Bodyweight exercise design product. For its reasonable cost it is far superior in educational and visual value than other bodyweight exercise programs.

    Coach Sonnon's Bodyflow is not meant for GPP training. It is not simply floor exercises that you have may seen in grappling schools or simply body weight exercises. It is a conceptual model to remove fear-reactivity and all the invisible bars that keep you bound-flow instead of flow, it helps people to experience their own self mastery and authentic creativity,it helps bring the unconscious body conscious of itself, and lastly it help people to learn how to get out of the way so their flow can occur in present.

    Yours in CST,
    Bao
    PS: If you read my article above, you cannot do Match, Patch, and Hem process to conventional bodyweight exercises.
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    Chris,

    I would disagree with your assumption that Coach Sonnon repackaged or revamped for the lay person. First truth is truth especially when it comes to the science of movement and while we can admit something looks or feel similar but that doesnt mean that specific body of work can not stand alone. There is something very original in "Bodyflow" and how it fits within the CST/Rmax model. The Bodyflow may seem familar with other systems, but its body of work can stand alone among them. When I say "Coach Sonnon's Bodyflow" it sure been seen as if I written "Chen's Tai Chi." Bodyflow is a martial discipline as well as a health based discipline. It is part of Circular Strength Training methodology because its principles can help students of CST create free style clubbell combinations. Would your alarm bell's ring off then if someone wrote Yang's Tai Chen or Bruce Lee's Wing Chun or Bao's Bodyflow? I have read you worked NYC, why dont you PM me and come workout with me and see Bodyflow for yourself?

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    Correction: Chris I am sorry. I was typing fast I forgot to add (not) to "I am (not) claiming it is the only path toward "flow"
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    Chris,

    I have known many people who are members of CST/Rmax discussion members (they are not CST/Rmax instructors) who have more real world experience in Contact Improv, Feldenkreis, Laban, Alexander, and etc than myself who can see the value of Bodyflow and can see the difference. Anyone who want to know the truth about Bodyflow may search it out more directly on the CST public discussion forum on the parasara section. There many experienced members in that section that can better explain the difference of bodyflow and other similar modalities.

    I am not an expert with no fancy college letters after my name. I am simply a man who believes and practices CST/Rmax to the best of my abilities. In my opinion, your point of view that Bodyflow is not unique or borrowed materials from other systems is incorrect and misleading to those who do not understand the materials that we both presented. It is not my wish to argue with you or to try to prove anything to anyone. It is not my style to intellectual fight over semantics or over ideas. I don't want to appear to be a dogmatic puppie of Coach Sonnon. Coach Sonnon is my respected coach and mentor; not my god or master.

    In the end, I am trying to present the truth as best as I know it. I am humble enough to admit when I do not know and do know that I do not know everything and that I have a lot to learn. I am only 28 and do not pretend to have the truth by its horns. I am no expert of Bodyflow and have written before that I was an infant in this subject. It is my goal here then to express and share my experience with the hope that someone here may benefit from my personal insights and discoveries. It is my belief that Bodyflow is unique in its own right and it is different from similar methods. I am not putting down other systems but promoting what I know works for me as a student and as an instructor.

    I have found it odd that you have only watched a clip of Bodyflow but have not experienced it directly to judge it so lightly and make up assumptions about its methodology. Maybe you should empty your previous experience to see it for what it is? I personally would not put down anything without first experiencing it even tho it may share the same name or principles. Nothing can replace real world experience is my motto, brother. Once again I would like to invite you to try out bodyflow and Rmax through my training group. I believe once you have experienced Bodyflow and Rmax, then you can say anything you want about it good or worst. In my opinion, currently, you are not in a good position to judge it. Does this sound reasonable? I understand that you are busy this comming fall (me too) , but it would be my pleasure exchanging information with you.

    Your friend,
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    Chirs,

    Thank you for taking the time for your message. I am usually free on the weekends. I am located on midtown eastside. If you gace free time on Thursday at 8pm, we may work together and exchange ideas and maybe get a late dinner after the exchange? PM me if your interested. I would like to learn more about your work.

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    Or you could just practice Taiji.

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    Tai Chi is good, but choy lay fut is the best!<wink> Whatever floats your boat, sir.
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