Shaolin-do teaching the SUPER SECRET invincible internal style

[Jarhead101]

hehe, I got this in my email today:

The Biggest Shaolin-Do news in years

Grandmaster Sin has announced the content of his next 4 seminars in Lexington. We have waited for decades to learn the art called Liu Shing (meteor) fist. It is the 4th, highest and most aggressive of the internal arts. Grandmaster Sin will be teaching that in March and September of 2007. However, you must take both seminars in 2006 to prepare for this art. He will teach 4 katas from the Golden Leopard system. The first two katas this march and then the 3rd and 4th in September. Not only is this an historic time for the students of grandmaster Sin, but you will likely see more Shaolin-Do lower belts, black belts and masters gathered together than have ever been assemble at once in this art. This is also the first external empty-hand form he has taught out since Shaolin Monkey Fist 3 years ago.

[MonkeySlap Too]

What the heck does 'taught out' mean?

[Jarhead101]

MST - Taught out means GM Sin hasn't taught everything he knows (supposedly) and every now and then when the kids are being good he will share the secret katas with the SD crew.

[Radhnoti]

In shaolin-do, I think, there is this feeling that GM Sin has this huge amount of material (obviously). GM Sin usually just teaches a form once, if he works on it later with others (to my knowledge) it would just be his highest ranked guys to polish it, he doesn't work on it in other seminars anyway. He doesn't teach forms to "the masses" over and over. The theory being that the more he repeats, the less he's "teaching out"...'cause he COULD be teaching some other form that no one in SD has seen before, right? There's this general feeling that it's his student's responsibility to retain as much of his knowledge of the forms as possible.

SO, anyway, a "new" form is taught once (though sometimes he'll do the seminar in KY, TN, TX, etc.) then he moves to another. I've seriously heard students worry that he'll never get all the forms he knows "taught out" in his lifetime.

[Scott R. Brown]

Lets get real!!

I've been training in the MA for over 30 years. I can create a SECRET form in about 10 mins depending upon how long i want to make it!

Think about it! All forms were once created by someone. They become traditional after they have been practiced for a few generations!

The reason no one will ever learn all his forms is cuz he makes them up as he goes along. Then he can charge for seminars whenever he needs some cash!. There is nothing magical about a form. It is merely specific movements placed together in varying combinations. Anyone can do it with a little experience and practice!

[MonkeySlap Too]

Has anyone done the math on how many 'forms' and 'styles' he had to learn an hour when Son The' lived in Bandung to have all this 'material'?

[kwaichang]

Martial Arts are not just art but science also. The forms taught by GMST are scientifically based with definite application based upon the exploitation of a biomechanical weakness of the body.
Of the forms I have learned and the movements, if one of you would take the time to look at what has been taught and the lack of replication of the forms then you would know that. A: he does not make them up, B. he is human and might accidentally mis interpret the notes he has as it has been 40 something years since he learned it originally. Therefore instead of a vertical fist it will be a horizontal fist attack but if it hits it will still hurt. and C. The forms all have written notes and explanation as they are taught . ??? who would go to that much trouble for 47 years. When one can earn money much easier another way ???? KC

[johnyk]

Lets get real!!

I've been training in the MA for over 30 years. I can create a SECRET form in about 10 mins depending upon how long i want to make it!

Think about it! All forms were once created by someone. They become traditional after they have been practiced for a few generations!

The reason no one will ever learn all his forms is cuz he makes them up as he goes along. Then he can charge for seminars whenever he needs some cash!. There is nothing magical about a form. It is merely specific movements placed together in varying combinations. Anyone can do it with a little experience and practice!

Interesting point, may be valid.

[neilhytholt]

Interesting point, may be valid.

It doesn't matter if he makes them up or not -- why do you need so many forms? Do you actually know how to use the forms in fighting? If somebody attacked you, can you defend yourself with the forms?

In about 99% of the cases people who study martial arts forms can't apply the forms in actual fighting beyond a few punches and kicks.

So people who collect all these forms are just giving this guy cash and wasting their times. What's the point if you can't use them?