Taiji Hold the Ball?

[Ray Pina]

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[Ou Ji]

Looks closer to Cloud Hands.

[Ray Pina]

Yea!!!!!

I never learned the form, but I kind of use the same power when doing both (sure this is my mistake)... that shoulder pulling or pushing the mass of the arm .... kind of like swinging a heavy one-handed hammer power, or pulling a lawn mower chord.

But yea, I can see the cloud hands too.

[Shooter]

that's a press

[TenTigers]

"Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar"
-Sigmund Freud

[midnite_ninja]

doesn't look like tai chi to me

[Ray Pina]

Well, we landed and whenever I hit the ground I tell myself, "Stay calm. Relax."

At that point, he was covered, so I popped him in the head two or three times to loosen him up. He exposed the arm, I put the standard lock on, but drove of my leg and hip, used rib and shoulder to leverage the lock ... and he tapped.

I'm an internal guy, so the principle of seaizing that position was Hold The Ball -- to me ... I like using that to capture the head when someone shoots too -- but the power you can say is Cloud Hands.

I don't know. I just thought it was cool for an internal guy to get a submission like that. I have zero BJJ, Judo, ect. Training. I learned it from my master.

[MasterKiller]

I thought you said you learned that key lock from an ex-Gracie student who studied with you?

[fiercest tiger]

lol

All circles, spirials, arches can be seizing and throwing skills.

If you can think you wil work them out!

FT

[Ray Pina]

I thought you said you learned that key lock from an ex-Gracie student who studied with you?

I learned how to do it when he started training with us because we started to focus on the ground for a while. I learned the lock from my master. It's standard. The hard part is how to get in a good position to put it on. More importantly, how to defend against it when you are on the bottom.