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    Smile Concerning Meihwa Shuaishou and Hualin Tantui Tanglang...

    I don't want to hijack the other thread so I open this thread for consideration.

    First and foremost, my usual caveats apply.

    1) it is believed that Liang Xue Xiang visited or sojourned in Beijing when he was young. At the time he was working as an escort as well. He might have taught a few people his Tanglangquan there. We know that by 1842 CE he already has been teaching Bengbu, Luanjie (alias Meihwa) and Fenshen Bazhou.

    2) Shifu Boa Guangying, who called his style Meihwa Shuaishou Tanglang, seemed to be only one that had students both in Guangdong and Beijing. He also worked as an escort in Beijing prior to moving to Guangdong. I have an article that is by one of his grand students that outlined what Boa taught to his student Liu Tan Feng.

    Highlights of the corpus as follow:

    Tanglang Shou Si Tang (Mantis Hands 4 roads)
    Xiao Huyan Si Tang (little tiger swallow 4 roads)
    Bengbu Liu Tang (crashing steps 6 roads) - 2 version old and new sessions.
    Lanjie Si Tang (fence and intercept 4 roads)
    Ba Zhou Ba Tang (eight elbows 8 roads)
    Da Fanche
    Xiao Fanche
    Tanglang Dian Yue Quan 24 moves (pressure point strikes 24 moves)
    Meihwa Siba Zhou Yi Tang (Plum Blossom 18 elbows 1 road)
    Bagua Lan Men Quan (8 trigram blocking the Gate fist)
    San Da San Shi Liu Da Tang (Loose stirkes 36 roads).

    etc....

    So not only is this somewhat close to Liang Xue Xiang's basic curriculum, this is also somewhat close to the current Haulin Tantui Tanglang's Tanglang side of things. The claim that Hualin Tantui has root in Meihwa Shuaishou is not entirely without evidence. However, it would seem that Meihwa Shuaishou has strong emphasis on the San Shou aspect rather than Taolu aspect. This is rather unlike Hualin in the USA IMHO.

    That being said I would caution to draw any conclusion because there seems to be some theoretical differences that seem to have Sevenstar influence both found in Meihwa Shuaishou and Hualin Tantui Tanglang.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mantis108
    I have an article that is by one of his grand students that outlined what Boa taught to his student Liu Tan Feng.

    Highlights of the corpus as follow:

    Tanglang Shou Si Tang (Mantis Hands 4 roads)
    Xiao Huyan Si Tang (little tiger swallow 4 roads)
    Bengbu Liu Tang (crashing steps 6 roads) - 2 version old and new sessions.
    Lanjie Si Tang (fence and intercept 4 roads)
    Ba Zhou Ba Tang (eight elbows 8 roads)
    Da Fanche
    Xiao Fanche
    Tanglang Dian Yue Quan 24 moves (pressure point strikes 24 moves)
    Meihwa Siba Zhou Yi Tang (Plum Blossom 18 elbows 1 road)
    Bagua Lan Men Quan (8 trigram blocking the Gate fist)
    San Da San Shi Liu Da Tang (Loose stirkes 36 roads).

    etc....

    So not only is this somewhat close to Liang Xue Xiang's basic curriculum, this is also somewhat close to the current Haulin Tantui Tanglang's Tanglang side of things.
    Ok, you guys pulled me out of retirement.

    I really don't see much similarity between the list and the current forms offering in the Wah Lum system.

    There is a Swallow form but I don't know which one it is or if it's anything like any of the other Swallow forms.

    Luan Jie is not in the curriculum and not listed anywhere in the advanced sets. Ba Zhou may not exist in WL at all.

    Da and Xiao Fan Che are completely different than other branches.

    I would really like to see Plum Blossum 18 Elbows for a comparison.

    The rest I have no clue what they would match up to in WL. I really don't see WL being any closer there than it is with any other branch of NPM. But I do like the research and the effort. Thanks.

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    Hmm...

    Is there even anyone alive that teaches Shuaishou Tanglang? I'd like to see an example of it, but I had heard that no one knows it anymore.

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    My Shifu, Zhou Baofu practices Shuai-shou, though some people seem to doubt his credentials. Regardless of doubts about where he learned it, however, I can tell you from personal experience that he does teach it and is an amazing martial artist.

    It's interesting that it might be called "Meihua Shuaishou." It seems most things called "Meihua" have an Islamic connection, like Meihua Chang-quan. Wang Song Ting, famous practitioner of Shuai-shou, practiced a combination of 7* and Meihua Tanglang and also was a Moslem himself. This makes it seem likely that either Meihua Shuaishou and just "Shuaishou" are actually the same thing or else that Shuaishou is an advanced variation on Meihua.

    Does Hualin/Wahlum teach Meihua Shuaishou? If so, I'd very much like to see a video clip if anyone has it in order to compare it to the Shuaishou I've seen my Shifu perform.
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    Smile Quanpu/Manuscripts

    Well, as far as I know there are a few volumes of Meihwa Shuai Shou Quanpu (manuscripts) passed down by Boa Guangying. It has all the theories and concepts of the system. That's where we can find the name and all things concerning the style. I have heard about Mr. Zhou and have read some of the article that he has. I think he has interesting perspective on things. Bottom line is that you are happy with the training and you get what you paid for.

    Happy training.

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