Wing Chun is Digital
Tai Chi is Analogue
Ray
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Wing Chun is Digital
Tai Chi is Analogue
Ray
Victoria, British Columbia, Wing Chun
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From someone whos been in the TV industry for a number of years... and VT for 9 odd years, this makes no sence...
It is indeed 'wild'
care to elaborate ?
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i think he means tai chi is old school traditional while wing chun is develop from it with new "gadgets" added to it. i don't just just my interpretation
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What I mean is this. When you do the Tai Chi pushing hands in a continuous way and do a freeze frame photo at various points of the cycle then you can see Bong sau, followed by Tan sau, followed by Lap sau, followed by Pak sau, followed by Lan sau. However Tai Chi also has the freeze frame techniques like rollback, deflect up, pull, push, and press.
If you take an analogue signal, then by sampling, you can chop it up into a digital format. The digital method approaches the characteristics of the analogue signal but is still never totally the same.
Ray
Victoria, British Columbia, Wing Chun
That was Zen, this is Tao
And Wing Chun doesn't have these. Is that what you're saying?Originally Posted by YongChun
'Talk is cheap because there is an excess of supply over demand'
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No I am not saying that. In my example I would put Kenpo/Kempo on one end of the scale, Wing Chun in the middle and Tai Chi on the other end. Of course arts are multidimensional and so can't be characteriszed so easily. Another famous saying along the same lines is that Tai Chi like a rubber ball, Hsing I is like a steel ball and Ba Gua is like an iron wire ball.
Ray
Victoria, British Columbia, Wing Chun
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I think continous time / discrete time fit the describtion of your idea better then analog /digital.
since analog and digital involve in binary and hex based.....etc
That was Zen, this is Tao
Sorry Ray,
When You said "However, Tai Chi has...." I inferred that you meant Wing Chun does not have similar "techniques". My bad.
'Talk is cheap because there is an excess of supply over demand'
Where's the spiral?
The two arts are completely different - the fact that they train pushing hands is the only common ground. Yet if you push hands with someone from the other art, you realise that the only thing in common is contact.
Wing Chun is not a derivation or improvement of taijjquan - I find very little in common between them. The intent is different, the power generation and training is very different - it's like comparing boxing with wrestling or karate with judo.
Experience is something you don't get until just after you need it
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I agree but it sounds less catchy.
Ray
Victoria, British Columbia, Wing Chun
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This Chinese friend of mine commented the other day that Chen style and Wing Chun seem to have a lot in common. This was after he watched many videos on Chen style theory and compared that with Kenneth Chung and Tsui Shan Ting's theories. I remember an Escrima teacher who commented that Wing Chun was very different and much more sophisticated than Escrima. Then after he studied Wing Chun for 3 years he made the comment that Escrima and Wing Chun are about the same and he can't really tell them apart. If you train a lot of Tai Chi pushing hands and Wing Chun sticking hands then it's very easy to blend the two arts. In the end you just fight and whatever from whatever art comes out naturally.
Ray
Victoria, British Columbia, Wing Chun
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A senior student in my Wing Chun class trained in Muay Thai and continually notices similarities. He's always showing us how core movements are so closely related. Too cool.
All the best Ray,
Kenton Sefcik
An ounce of action is worth a ton of theory. Friedrich Engels
Where's the spiral?
Sorry, but a Chinese friend doesn't give any further credence to the statements you're making. They aren't the same and they aren't similar. Core movements of all arts are closely related because there are only so many ways of moving the body - the differences are not necessarily in the outward appearance of a movement. It's like saying "we breathe out when we strike too!" - it's nothing to write home about.
If a person trains in one art and then trains the other, then of course they are going to end up being similar. Unconscious competence in physical skills makes that unavoidable - like a BJJ guy who also wrestles, he can't seperate the two, just blend them. Get someone who has only ever wrestled and someone who has only ever trained BJJ and sure you'll see similarities, but they will also be clearly different.
Take someone who has 10 years of Taijiquan and someone else with 10 years of WC and get them to spar and push hands. Ask them how similar they are afterwards.
Experience is something you don't get until just after you need it
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The spiral is comparable when it tends to a atraight line. When big circles become small circles. There are similarities, at minimum, they are both internal art.
Where's the spiral?
In order to make that decleration you'd have to define 'internal' first of all, without using words like "soft". Softness and sensitivity are not exclusive attributes of internal arts. Sometimes I question the clarification of 'internal' anyway - it's senseless.
There are similarities between every martial art - it's nothing to write home about. It's like a karateka saying there's bong sau in his kata because his arm movement is the same. The body only has so many ways of moving.
Now if WC had defined systems of Nei Gong, trained Peng Jin as a specific energy and had a system of Zhan Zhuang - I might be inclined to say that they were similar (like Hsing-I, Bagua and Taiji are similar). But aside from the odd school that has incorporated this sort of stuff (for whatever reason), WC schools do not train like that. Nor should they - it's a different art that requires different attributes. It's like me putting WC footwork into taiji - there's no point because my techniques don't operate off of that footwork.
The "Where's the spiral?" is just my tag-line on my profile - I wasnt commenting on spirals within WC. Needless to say they are different to what is found in taiji (as a result of different training methods). Different, not better or worse.
I'm curious as to where this idea of similarity came from and why some people in WC try to propogate it. Maybe this is how you guys feel when Hung Gar people talk about WC being a subset of Hung Gar
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