Five Animals Kung Fu?

[ไRui_Jingδ]

What is Five Animals Kung Fu?

How effective is Five Animals Kung Fu in real life situations?

Would someone attempt to use Five Animals Kung Fu to fight say a boxer or strret fighter?

Is Five Animals Kung Fu just a traditional style of kungfu that really isn't good for self defense?

If anyone has any knowledge of this subject, please help. Thanks.

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[Mortal1]

LOLOL!!! Troll bait. You should see his wingchun thread.

[ไRui_Jingδ]

...um no. I'm not trolling. I'm trying to decide which style I should study. I can't seem to find any info on Five Animals Kung Fu

[sean_stonehart]

If you weren't trolling you wouldn't have started like...

How effective is Five Animals Kung Fu in real life situations?

or

Would someone attempt to use Five Animals Kung Fu to fight say a boxer or strret fighter?

or my personal fave...

Is Five Animals Kung Fu just a traditional style of kungfu that really isn't good for self defense?

So with that in mind, you are a TROLL unless proven otherwise... ball's in your court.

[ไRui_Jingδ]

...

Ok. Fine. Forget about all those questios then. Just tell me about the art.

[Chizica]

I'm being a bit helpful, but any blasts against anyone who regulary posts on this board and you will suffer the Wrath.

Good information here:

http://www.mandarinkungfu.com/

[gwa sow]

very briefly. five animal kung fu "imitates" the five animals generally used in many kung fu styles. tiger panther crane snake and dragon. it is effective for self defense given that you are studing under a good teacher. all traditional styles of kung fu are good for self defense, again given there is a good teacher. now with the five animal you are not going to go around growling like a tiger or flapping your arms like a bird. the animals influence the movements. example tiger = fierce hard movements snake quick and crane more flowing and graceful. for future reference dont put your questions out there like that.

[ไRui_Jingδ]

I just had a few questions. Your help is greatly appreciated.

#1 What is the best reference material I can get my hands on as a secondary aid to my teachers instruction? Is there a book, dvd or website that describes this style or shows some applications and how it can be applied?

#2 How legit are these video?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jxwSzksq2I
- no dragon huh?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkvxxuqoenI#Z4Qfie3aGmc
-the beginning of the second video looks like the form that a guy near me teaches

#3 Is 5 Animal Kung Fu an effective combat art?

#4 How does it compare to Wing Chun?

In all seriousness, the only thing I have to go off of is some wing chun training I did. I found it very practical and very effective. Is 5 Animal the same way? Does it have applications? Or is it just forms? What is the difference between 5 Animal and Wing Chun? What can I expect to see from the art? I have a great respect for the arts, but I am mainly looking for effective fighting methods. No nonsense, just straight to the point, logical, effective combat techniques. And if you guys think I should just stick with Wing Chun, tell me.

Thanks for your help.

[5Animals1Path]

I just had a few questions. Your help is greatly appreciated.

#1 What is the best reference material I can get my hands on as a secondary aid to my teachers instruction? Is there a book, dvd or website that describes this style or shows some applications and how it can be applied?

#2 How legit are these video?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jxwSzksq2I
- no dragon huh?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkvxxuqoenI#Z4Qfie3aGmc
-the beginning of the second video looks like the form that a guy near me teaches

#3 Is 5 Animal Kung Fu an effective combat art?

#4 How does it compare to Wing Chun?

In all seriousness, the only thing I have to go off of is some wing chun training I did. I found it very practical and very effective. Is 5 Animal the same way? Does it have applications? Or is it just forms? What is the difference between 5 Animal and Wing Chun? What can I expect to see from the art? I have a great respect for the arts, but I am mainly looking for effective fighting methods. No nonsense, just straight to the point, logical, effective combat techniques. And if you guys think I should just stick with Wing Chun, tell me.

Thanks for your help.

1. I've yet to find anyone or anything that really helps you pick up 5 Animal Fist in any kind of better way. There's not too much source material availible for it, and what is doesn't go much more in depth then to talk about the story/myth* of how it's the origin for all shaolin kung fu, and how they seem to think you'll just be able to blend the ideas for yourself. The closest things you're gonna find are either Hung Gar or Choy Lay Fut based.

2. The first guy, I'll go out on a limb, I'd say has no understanding of the basic ideas of 5 Animals. The tiger claw shouldn't be struck as a leopard or snake, for the same reason you don't hit someone with the thumb part of a closed fist. The second guy's on another thread here.http://ezine.kungfumagazine.com/foru...ad.php?t=43701, and there's several comments on it there, mine included.

3. Yes, it's effective. The particulars of which are debatable, but if you want I'll send ya a pm of what I know about it.

4. Well, if you're learning southern 5 animals, not so much. At first. Tiger and leopard are gonna look like they're about 400 miles from WC. And they are, at first. It's when you start learning a mixed form, and crane, that you start to see why WC guys think it's a fusion of snake and crane.


That said, this is an extremely frustrating thing to learn. The base 4 (not counting dragon, as I've yet to learn much more then a few fingers worth of technique for it) do not mix all by themselves. You're essentially learning 4 very different ways of dealing with opponents, and -then- learning how to mix those things. It is not an "efficient" style by the meaning of fast learning, and I would not recommend training it unless you've got a real hardon for stress headaches. It's very straight to the point, and it's very no nonsense. Unfortunatly, these things do not make it easy to learn.

Just remember one thing if you decide to do it.




How much knowledge is really worth knowing if you didn't have to work your testicles (or ovaries, as the case may be) to earn it?




*I call it a story/myth because frankly, I don't really care if it is.

[5Animals1Path]

Maybe I shouldn't have been quite so honest.

[No_Know]

"squirrel kung fu - nah - eagle beats squirrel"- green willow

Actually, more at, Eagles Eat Squirrel. Kung-Fu is all friends.~

And Squirrel as I understand it would get as beat as it could versus Eagle so long as Eagle person was not hurt by being attacked.~

[No_Know]

"ไRui_Jingδ

#1 What is the best reference material I can get my hands on as a secondary aid to my teachers instruction? Is there a book, dvd or website that describes this style or shows some applications and how it can be applied?"

Your teacher is the best source. You must refer to your practice of your lessons. There are different expressions using this same name. You must know the exact lineage/origin/intended functioning of the style/form system to see examples of that type of Five Animals...

"#2 How legit are these video?"

"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jxwSzksq2I
- no dragon huh?"

There are two sets of Five Animals here. These are blended forms. The first one's practitioner interviews the second one's Originator.


Likely animal form places at the Zoo section:
One o'clock--Dragon, Four thirty--Leopard, Six o'clock--Snake, Six-Thirty--Tiger, Ten o'clock Crane.

When saying five animals Kung-Fu or Style it might have traditionally meant five particular animals. Three groups used the same five but had a different order to them:Choy Li Fut ended with Snake (perhaps). Heung Family Start Dragon then Snake, then Tiger, then Leopard, then Crane. I understand that this order has to do with complexity of each form at least somewhat. Shao-Lin was Tiger then, Leopard, then Dragon, then Snake, then Crane.

Heung Family as I understand. Dragon is for big areas and left-rigth movement. Snake is more advanced and offers forward movement(perhaps backward also, however in Striking Snake maneuvers (if that is a form all on it's own-some might say snake does not retreat). Tiger is for power. Leopard is to only be learned after a foundation of Tiger and is for Strength. Crane for Sperm or libido.?.

Shao-Lin goes Dragon for Spirit, Snake for Breath(qi), Tiger for Bone/(?tendons)development~, Leopard for Ligaments or some such, and Crane for Sinews

"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkvxxuqoenI#Z4Qfie3aGmc
-the beginning of the second video looks like the form that a guy near me teaches"

There are straightforward~ strikes with animal names. The Eight Methods might obscure the Animalness of the form. Power, Placement, Angle, Attuiude and Complexity might be why a technique is referred to as a particular animal here. I could see that the animal might be there and I not notice the take of the form's originator.



"#3 Is 5 Animal Kung Fu an effective combat art?"

It must be some-kind of effective or you might not have heard of it. The delivery of use, with the comprehension and ability of the practitioner and All that Is at that moment determine effect--it is perhaps undeterminable.

"#4 How does it compare to Wing Chun?"

Wing Chun stances and stepping seem small. Five Animal can be varied. Wing Chun has refined movement for practicality and efficiency it seems I might understand suchly. Five Animal provides options: when straight fails against a fighter there is curve. If power fails there is subtlety. If a punch is too general there are fingertips. The options and delivery systems~ compliment and compensate...

"In all seriousness, the only thing I have to go off of is some wing chun training I did. I found it very practical and very effective. Is 5 Animal the same way? Does it have applications? Or is it just forms? "

The forms have techniques. The techniques have applications. As with perhaps other things, there might be more applications than those with which you were presented.

"I have a great respect for the arts, but I am mainly looking for effective fighting methods. No nonsense, just straight to the point, logical, effective combat techniques."

Then Practice and think. But practice more because with practice, the technique will happen when appropriate and be varied to fit the situation. With training and application in the appropriate situation with the right timing perhaps Every technique could be combat effective.

Practice the Form and effective fighting will happen in Time with Achieved Work.


I No_Know

[owarujitsu]

any one have any info on the songshan shaolin 5 animal form(24 movements) recently featured in kf magazine....trying to find video on the web but no luck....jsut beginning in shaolin forms and would like to fingure out the pace and rythm of this form...... thanx for the help

[Sal Canzonieri]

any one have any info on the songshan shaolin 5 animal form(24 movements) recently featured in kf magazine....trying to find video on the web but no luck....jsut beginning in shaolin forms and would like to figure out the pace and rythm of this form...... thanx for the help

That's no beginner form.

You can find the most authentic version (with correct movements, not modern wushu) here:

http://www.cmaod.com/Shaolin15.html

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