Wow, I never thought in a million years I would agree with EarthDragon. Present Grand Master Shyun (that sentence just leaves a really foul taste). I was trying to bite my tongue, and remain silent based on the fact I have still so much to learn, and those helping me haven't said any thing (I think their too busy training, and have more important things on their mind... but I don't so I was curious as to when the essential forms find their way to Shuyn's system? I thought Shyun was teaching 10 body coordination praying mants, and finally leaving the 8 step mantis to those who practise the 8 steps as basics, and not the 8 low kicks, 8 high kicks, 8 blocks, 8 kicking blocks 8 hand postitions 8 fists and all that other jazz (aka filler). I thought there was a thread a wile back stating most likley where Shyun got his mantis from based on the form Lan jie. I also remember a more recent thread where Shyuns 10 form where listed (minus # 10) and there wasn't a single mention of the essentials. No disrespect meant (although challenging the grand master claim I guess is a little wrong based on the fact that his skill is still far above mine, but regardless a lie is a lie). I see this discussion going no where, as both parties truely believe what they are saying, and with out stating reasons why he is or isn't this convo will most likley be cut short by an admin. I feel he isn't based on the fact his basics are not mentioned by any other person who studied with Master Wei, I find it hard to believe Master Wei created an entire group of exercises to teach his park students (who are also featured in his books, and even helped him write and edit his books) versus those Shyun teaches as basic (as Mast Chang stated in a MQ article, Master Wei taugt 8 stances, 8 steps, and 8 kicks as basics). Also how shuyn is never even mentioned in any Master Wei's books. I also have a hard time believing that all of Master Wei's students are just trying to fatten their pockets by dispelling Shyun when they've never asked any thing from me or anyone else I know that they have helped, and are still helping. Most don't run schools. They teach a few dedicated students who they want to teach based on attitude, not for monetary gain.
God bless the child that can hold his own.