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    Late Grand Master Wei & Present Grand Master Shyun

    I had the opportunity of visiting http://www.babutanglang.com. It is a nicely designed website and very informative. I comment the site developers on a job well done.

    There were some impressive old rare video clips of the late Grand Master Wei and his student (Master Wang Jie).

    One clip that stands out is Grand Master Wei performing 摘要一路拳 (zhai yao yi lu quan). Grand Master Wei in his 80’s was still performing with great speed and power. It reminded me of when Master Shyun was teaching me that same fist form. Master Shyun performed the fist form movements exactly as how Grand Master Wei was performing it in the video clip. I am proud to be part of the 8 Step traditional lineage that was taught to me and my other classmates by Grand Master Shyun and him by the late Grand Master Wei.

    To all my 8 Step family, let us all continue to form a common goal and help proliferate the 8 Step Preying Mantis style as was started by the late Grand Master Wei and continuing by the present Grand Master Shyun.


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    Chaotic mantis,
    I realize you have been out of the loop for a while but some of the things you have said confuse me a little bit. Could you please explain them? thanks in advance.

    you said To all my 8 Step family, let us all continue to form a common goal and help proliferate the 8 Step Preying Mantis style as was started by the late Grand Master Wei and continuing by the present Grand Master Shyun.


    you said 8 step was started by Master Wei?

    and then called Shrfu James Shyun Grandmaster?

    may I ask what you think qualifies a teacher to become a grandmaster? or master for that matter?

    thanks again brother...
    KUNG FU USA
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    Teaching traditional Ba Bu Tang Lang (Eight Step Praying Mantis)
    Jin Gon Tzu Li Gung (Medical) Qigong
    Wu style Taiji Chuan



    Teacher always told his students, "You need to have Wude, patient, tolerance, humble, ..." When he died, his last words to his students was, "Remember that the true meaning of TCMA is fierce, poison, and kill."

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    EarthDragon

    “Proliferate the 8 Step Preying Mantis style as was started by the late Grand Master Wei and continuing by the present Grand Master Shyun.”

    Proliferate: To increase or spread at a rapid rate.

    I am saying Grand Master Wei started spreading eight step by teaching it to many students. Grand Master Shyun continued the tradition of also teaching it to many students.

    Here is a cut and paste portion directly from your website. Should I need to say anymore about Grandmaster Sun or Shyun? You also support the claim that James Sun is the present Grandmaster of 8 Step. If you don't feel this way, please update your website.

    http://www.eightstep.com/kungfu.php
    “In 1990 Grandmaster James Sun (the sole inheritor of the Eight Step Praying Mantis System) made the decision to further protect the system. He adopted the name of Shyun Style Praying Mantis so that people could discern the authenticity of this system's heritage and lineage from those that are in imitation.”

    Please get over the issues you have with James Sun, his school and move on. Please! Please! This bitterness and hatred are ugly and is eating you up alive.


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    chaotic,
    Unfortunatly my website was created by one fo shyun's ex- students who created the 8step website and I have not been able to update it because i have no way to get the adminstrators info. it nees serious updates i have old stuff on there that needs to be brought up to the year 2000.

    you dont have to explain the defination of Proliferate. that was not my question.

    I simply asked why you said master Wei started 8 step. and what your defination of a grandmaster was and who was ranked a master under shrfu shyun.

    Please elaborate on your comments thanks again.
    KUNG FU USA
    www.eightstepkungfu.com
    Teaching traditional Ba Bu Tang Lang (Eight Step Praying Mantis)
    Jin Gon Tzu Li Gung (Medical) Qigong
    Wu style Taiji Chuan



    Teacher always told his students, "You need to have Wude, patient, tolerance, humble, ..." When he died, his last words to his students was, "Remember that the true meaning of TCMA is fierce, poison, and kill."

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    Let me try and simplify this for you regarding "Started spreading 8 Step".

    JHL only spread 8 Step to ONE student (FHY).

    FHY only spread 8 Step to ONE student (WHT).

    WHT spread 8 Step to MANY students. (SKL and other classmates).

    SKL spread 8 Step to MANY students.

    In spreading I meant to say to teach many students not just one.



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    Wow, I never thought in a million years I would agree with EarthDragon. Present Grand Master Shyun (that sentence just leaves a really foul taste). I was trying to bite my tongue, and remain silent based on the fact I have still so much to learn, and those helping me haven't said any thing (I think their too busy training, and have more important things on their mind... but I don't so I was curious as to when the essential forms find their way to Shuyn's system? I thought Shyun was teaching 10 body coordination praying mants, and finally leaving the 8 step mantis to those who practise the 8 steps as basics, and not the 8 low kicks, 8 high kicks, 8 blocks, 8 kicking blocks 8 hand postitions 8 fists and all that other jazz (aka filler). I thought there was a thread a wile back stating most likley where Shyun got his mantis from based on the form Lan jie. I also remember a more recent thread where Shyuns 10 form where listed (minus # 10) and there wasn't a single mention of the essentials. No disrespect meant (although challenging the grand master claim I guess is a little wrong based on the fact that his skill is still far above mine, but regardless a lie is a lie). I see this discussion going no where, as both parties truely believe what they are saying, and with out stating reasons why he is or isn't this convo will most likley be cut short by an admin. I feel he isn't based on the fact his basics are not mentioned by any other person who studied with Master Wei, I find it hard to believe Master Wei created an entire group of exercises to teach his park students (who are also featured in his books, and even helped him write and edit his books) versus those Shyun teaches as basic (as Mast Chang stated in a MQ article, Master Wei taugt 8 stances, 8 steps, and 8 kicks as basics). Also how shuyn is never even mentioned in any Master Wei's books. I also have a hard time believing that all of Master Wei's students are just trying to fatten their pockets by dispelling Shyun when they've never asked any thing from me or anyone else I know that they have helped, and are still helping. Most don't run schools. They teach a few dedicated students who they want to teach based on attitude, not for monetary gain.

    Thanks
    God bless the child that can hold his own.

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    Jiang did not create 8 step soley, it was a joint effort, and it may be possible that Feng learnt from all three masters.
    God bless the child that can hold his own.

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