Iron Crotch/Shih Shui Training in U.S.?

[WUGONGLI]

I found this article the other day online.

http://ezine.kungfumagazine.com/maga...hp?article=315

I know that Mantak Chia used to teach this and now I find this Master. My question is has anyone seen this video or trained with Master Tu? If so what is the verdict? Also, does this gentleman have any Students/Teachers in the U.S. that one can learn this from? Does anyone know of anyone else in the U.S. that is teaching this method of Chi Kung?

Any Input is Welcome

[TenTigers]

if you want to hang weights from your nutsack, go at it. Me? I've caught myself in my zipper once too often. Didn't you see "something about Mary"? Did you not learn from this lesson?
ok, seriously, check out Juko-Kai International-these guys take full kicks to the groin. Facinating.
I think any of these practices can cause severe injury-unless done under supervision, which is enough for me not to do it. I have trouble enough at the urinal in public toilets, I certainly can't have some guy watching me do powercleans with my junk. Nope. i just can't do it. Just the phrase, "Turn your head and cough" gives me the willys. nope...nope..ahh..nope (think Buzzard from Buggs Bunny)

[GeneChing]

See our 2005 Iron Crotch article.
In answer to your questions:
A. I've not seen Mantak Chia tow a truck, but his writings on the subject are often quoted.
1. I worked on the translation of his video and did train under him, but only in Taoist qigong, no iron crotch. That takes a little more dedication than I was ready to commit. But I think it's fair to say that I've published the most in English on iron crotch at this point. I should add that to my resume, yes?
2. Appraising the skills (or lack thereof) of masters is one way I make my living here. I can't resist the pun. Gm Tu has the sack. He's an amazingly skilled master of kung fu and qigong, regardless of all the iron crotch hullabaloo.
3. GM Tu teaches all over the U.S. but his school is located in San Jose, CA. See his website for schedules.
4. There are a few people that are teaching iron crotch skills in the U.S. I've heard of a guy in LA, and there was a demonstration of it by one of the monks at the Shaolin Temple Overseas in Flushing. There are probably more. I don't know of anyone else towing trucks here though...

[WUGONGLI]

Gene,
Thanks for taking the time to answer without the smart-ass comments. Obviously, you know what your talking about and you also know that this is a very powerful Chi Kung method. Your article is how I found out about GM Tu and his abilities. How in-depth does your DVD go into the practice of this Chi Kung method?

Also, I have heard that James McNeil of the Nine Little Heaven School http://www.littlenineheaven.com at one time taught this. Do you know anything about him or his skill level?

Thanks Again,

Wu

[GeneChing]

You know, after that demo last Nov, I was interviewed by a horde of morning DJ shock jocks (see this thread) so I got most of the smart ass comments out of my system.

GM Tu's Iron Crotch video is pretty in depth. He shows the whole method, using a life-sized acupuncture mannequin, as well as all of the accompanying qigong exercises. I don't think anyone who is interested in Iron Crotch should pursue this method without engaging Tu's video. It's the most informative work I've seen on the subject.

I know of Master McNeil only because of his ad campaign and his occasional articles. He was mainly in the IKF stable, so I've never met him nor interacted with him. I've never heard of him demonstrating his Iron Crotch skills, nor have I heard of Mantak Chia doing demos. This doesn't mean that they've never demonstrated their skills, it just means I've never seen it. I've repeatedly kicked GM Tu in the balls personally, and he was only wearing a kilt-like skirt, which he lifted up when he tied himself in to tow the truck. So I know for fact that he's for real. On top of that, I've known him for a few years now and have been very impressed by his character - he's always eager to help out when there's a needy cause. I don't endorse many masters, mostly because of the political ramifcations given my position, but if you are seriously interested in iron crotch, there's no one else I'd turn to beyond GM Tu Jin-Sheng.

[David]

I've seen demos of this on tv...

In all ignorance and seriousness, why do this training? What does it achieve for your life?


When they're kicked in the nuts, are they retracting the balls into the body or what?

Rgds,
David

[WUGONGLI]

Gene,
Thanks again! I went to a Chia seminar back in the early 90's when I lived in the Bay Area where he briefly covered Shih-Shui or Iron Crotch. He also has a video and book out on the topic that he calls IRON SHIRT #3. I really don't think he covers it that much anymore except at his annual retreats.

I thought that it was really interesting when I found the article about GM TU as for the most part until the recent time this type of training was somewhat hard to find outside of Taiwan or Hong Kong etc. and I do believe the cost for this kind of training under a master is in the Hundreds of $ if not thousands.

Since for the most part this training is so rare why did Gm Tu elect to give out this info via DVD etc as for the most part I was under the impression that this was a skill that was imparted to the most trusted closed door student?

I think I may give your DVD a look.

Regards,

WU

[WUGONGLI]

David,

This is Iron shirt or Golden Bell is of the highest caliber! My understanding is that this KUNG supposedly came from Tamo and was very highly coveted. It is purported to not only make you impervious to blows it ,but will also make you a Superman in the Sack. Even at an advanced age you won’t need any Viagra and the aging process will be slowed drastically. This to say the least isn’t your standard Suburban Strip Mall Chi kung.

And yes the testicles are supposed to retract with training.

If you want to know more Mantak Chia and Yang Jing Ming have books on the subject or better yet get GM TU’s DVD.

Regards,

Wu

[GeneChing]

Today, especially with the net, nothing is secret. Part of GM Tu's intention about
revealing the secrets of Iron Crotch was because in his opinion, most of the material out ther already was incorrect, even harmful. So in the interest of perpetuating the art, he felt in necessary to explain it more accurately. For example, it's a great misconception that the genitals are drawn into the body. When I kicked GM Tu, he was all hanging out. Otherwise how would he be able to tow a truck immediately after?

The question of "WHY?" is common. Iron Crotch is a form of qigong. According to GM Tu, it will do all sorts of good things for your health, just like any qigong. It's not a martial practice really since it's much easier to train to block than to let someone kick you in the goods and be able to withstand it (but oooh, imagine the intimidation factor). Like any qigong, the goal is to increase your qi. For GM Tu, it seems to work. He really downplays the sexual aspect. He's actually a very traditional Chinese scholar warrior. Not only does he practice qigong and martial arts, he paints, plays music and creates all sorts of things. He's very well-rounded.

Of course, even though GM Tu's DVD demonstrates all the techniques, it's recommended to have an instructor, because frankly, this is a discipline that you don't want to mess up.

[Lu Bu]

You're a funny guy, Gene.

Just to clarify, like Gene said guys: Iron Crotch is not the same as Testicle Retraction. Southern Mantis has the latter (I believe it's known as Sun Sook Gung), as does Shr Zhengzhong, who is the grandmaster of Pong Lai (northern mantis) in Tainan, Taiwan. I've seen video of one of his students demonstrating it...and wow...the guy could take hits that would fell a lesser man, let's just put it that way.

Not for the faint of...heart.

[GeneChing]

Beleive me, anyone in my position needs a sense of humor. Otherwise, I'd just stress out. I do take my Iron Crotch research seriously, but there's something intrisically funny about it, so I just got to go with it.

[David]

Strange... Golden Bell cover is integrated into Chow Gar SPM. But I don't think it involves hanging weights on the balls. Maybe the weights are a shortcut to feeling/controlling the raising mechanism?

Rgds,
David

[David]

I know it lends toward a trolling question, but I'm tired of seing "Iron Crotch" pasted as the header for this forum.

I thought it was getting interesting, but I was bored of the lack of follow-up.

I did some Googling on retracting testicles and found an unusual site relating to male sexual powers that ties in to the iron crotch business. You have to scan through it to find the connections, though. Might interest some...

http://www.floatingwizard.com/cosmic.../sexOrbits.htm

Rgds,
David