Danmayete,
Are you being serious?! Knowing someone in the 80s hardly qualifies you to tell me about MY culture and MY people. That’s the biggest joke. You obviously know nothing, and your responses indicated that. You try to disguise your lack of real knowledge with clever wording from the bits and pieces you picked up on goog,e, but you don’t really answer anything. I also never argued about being black, I’m happy to be white. I have little ambition to change my race or culture, there is however a HUGE difference between being black and being African. But, this wasn’t the argument. You think you know about African culture and the so called African combat arts, but you obviously know nothing, you still did not even reply to the questions of where in Africa you have ever been. You speak of stuff no one knows about, you mention words no one understands, and you seem to mix up the cultures with their respective demographics. You mention Bantu Drumming from Central Africa, where as the word Bantu is a distinct Zulu term, they hail from Southern Africa. You obviously have no clue. Im not going to argue with you about this anymore, as you are either a troll or just plain ignorant.
Of course you're not, as you need that time to talk to my elders to gather your field research for the African arts you do not practice. What expert talks about something, with such expertise, that he does not practice? Now, why would you, the Afrikan, consider AFRICA as WEIRD. No REAL AFRICAN would look at it that way. That could only be a decidely non-AFRICAN way of viwing your supposed HOMELAND. Maybe you can teach me good old African words like Johanesburg. Real Nguni words like that. You do not know anything about Africa because, like Johnny Clegg, your a wannbe, and because you are not African-you are an Afrikaner (your words), BIG difference. Perhaps you can tell me all about Afrikaner dancing/martial arts. I'm always eager to learn.
Either way, I will tell you, you know NOTHING about Africa, nor do you know anything about African fighting arts.
In one breath you say I know nothing, in another, you concede the art I know "may be " "legit." Make up your mind.
And heres some more proof. You are trying to make as if African Arts are ass well structured as Asian arts (for example) by even coming up with names for techniques. Tell me, what language are you using. Those are neither Shona nor Nguni terms. Is it some lost African language that African Americans from Virginia speaks?
Come into the light, Carol Anne...Because you can spout off about stuff you got from school means nothing-what AFRICAN art do you pracitce-not your giggling "friend," not the cleaning women-YOU...If you are AFRICAN, then surely you practice an AFRICAN "artform," right? If so, how is it expressed/performed.?Don't give me Johhny Clegg dance troup dancing-giving the art you do...Tick. Tock. Tick, Tock...Quick, hurry, get your Johnny Clegg books out!
African arts are structured, the African way. Zulu stickplay is a fom of structure, or didn't you know that. Since I have never compared African arts to Asian arts, how could I be linking their structures?
Its pretty simple to see if something comes from Africa, if you have ever spend time here, you would have known what to look for. What you mention, doesn’t mark African origins.
You're correct. So, then, please tell me the art that you do which comes from Africa?
So this art you are selling is not practical?
Huh? Ya got me there, as I haven't a clue what you mean.
One need to prepare for battle to be able to fight to full capacity?
Do you know what Libanda means? Concentrate on Sticky Hands,as you haven't a clue...
Unless you are talking about war strategy, this makes little sense.
What makes little sense?
I can tell you, have you ever heard of African Time? If someone needs to go prepare for the bout first, the chances are that the fight would never happen.
More proof to tell me you see it from a WESTERN point of view. But we cant blame you, you are a Westerner after all.
African tradition pre dates the Slavery Era in Central Africa. When you talk African Fighting arts, please stick to African fighting arts, and not what some people in the west think were African arts. Also, please supply historical proof of some of your claims. Again, non of those terms makes an sense from an African point of view.
No its not. Its only a brief idea of what you, a Westerner non African, American think is part of an African tradition.
Whether or not your art is ligit as a martial / fighting art is irrelevant. It may be practical, it may work, but don’t sell it as something it surely is not.
What are you babbling about. In order for you, (Kin of Clegg, whom you phenotypically resemble-in fact, the site of him doing Zulu "war " dances looks absolutely ridiculous, as he looks goofy doing it, probably the way you look doing it, and does not have the nuances to do it justice, to know that I am "selling" something that it is "surely not," you had better be able to show me that it is "surely NOT." I gave you the name of an art from right in your "country," yet you know it not. You contradict yourself in, on the one hand referencing that the art may be legit, which it is, but, then declaring that I am selling something that it is not, without a shred of Johnny Clegg proof of "what it is." Stick to "Kung Fu," which is probably what you know best. You mention a few ethnic groups as if they are the sole representations of African peoples. Because you have a "black friend" who giglles with you as you write, or a cleaning lady who blah, balh, balh, you think you know. When I see Johnny Clegg, I do not see a Zulu. It is highly unlikely that you resemble one either, which will be made all the more glaring were you to do Zulu dancing among Zulus I, however, would be extraordinarily indistinguishable.
You, yourself, clearly do not practice any of them, as you need to obviously get help on info. from some one who actually does. You wouldn't know how to do an African art, like Libanda, to save your life. The flexible body and rthyms issues alone would kill you. Your hips are probably too stiff to do it and, since its not ballet, flying up in the air, but ground centered/rooted, you'd fall apart instantly.
And, also, S.A. has nothing on any major U.S. city in terms of violence. Right now, I am typing you from Temple UNIV., IN THE HEART of Bill Cosby's Richard Allen projects (now yuppied somewhat further East of Broad & Cecil B.); it "don't" any more dangerous than that. IT'S THREE in the morning, I'm leaving work as I do 5 days a week and without fear. Libanda is no game. Now, what AFRICAN ART DO YOU practice, and from what Amakhanda did you learn it? You know snot.
Try again-and don't post stuff some body tells you-post the AFRICAN ART YOU ARE INVOLVED IN.
I am busy with my report on REAL African Fighting Arts, and I will post this on another forum when I am done with it.
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