Is it good to cross train mantis & san da?

[ChinoXL]

just like the title states.. answer please

[mantid1]

Only if you want to become an effective fighter faster than the average student. If you are not that worried about fighing it should not matter.

[Three Harmonies]

Nothing wrong as long as you are using Mantis principles in your san da. Otherwise why train Mantis?
Cheers
Jake

[ChinoXL]

would they mesh together tho?

[Three Harmonies]

I guess I do not understand your question. San Da / San Shou is a general term, not a style. Basically it can be related to Muay Thai. THey took the basic kicks, punches, and throws and now fight in a sport format.
Like I said, if you play Mantis you should be able to transfer those techniques and ideologies over to San Shou formatted rules/competition. So I guess I am saying that if you have the right teacher this should not have to be a consideration. Make sense?
Cheers
Jake

[phoenixdog]

In my experience mantis does not cross over well into gloved fighting because you loose the trapping,hooking,clawing attributes of mantis and forearm blows are illegal in san da.Also most mantis (not all) uses an elbow out position and chopping style punching that does not do well in full contact with gloves.This is also why an art like hsing-i does well in gloved fighting.The best mantis technique against a skilled boxer using USA rules is to intercept and overhand right,since that is legal an unseen in most traditional boxing training,a very mantis technique,aka kwa.I also re-iterate my view of Tiffaney Chin at Nick Scrima's 2004 san da tourney,tai chi in boxing gloves,western boxing with tai chi power,nerely knocked out every opponent,surely she cross trained in western boxing.In my view,mantis is like a vicous but scientific street fighting method and not a ring sport method,you take the gloves off,anything goes and it goes quick,not by the 3 minute clock,...crush,destroy,hook,rip,overwhelm...walk away.

[ChinoXL]

interesting... interesting.. i love the comments.. can anybody eloberate more my opinion is shifting.. back and forth lols

[Emeraldphoenix]

Correct me if i am wrong Jake.[Biggie groupie here]. Train, train,train your Mantis and then start to move into contact fighting. You can apply Mantis Tech. when fighting with gloves and gear. You will have to adapt certain tech. to the gear and rules. My point is that I see alot of Styles that train sets and drills, But then when they spar, they just kick box or slug fest it out. As Jake said A good Teacher should ensure this does not happen. If your school trains in both, this should be ok. I do not recommend training in 2 different systems[ex. Mantis and a different system that is using San dao] The old saying applies here, You cant serve 2 masters. 1 is bound to get robbed of your full attention and this can also slow down your conscious integration of the 1 system and confuse your mind and body. That is not to say that there are some systems that do compliment eachother. For instance Tai chi and your system. That was just to head off all you guys on that little niche. Become adept in 1 system first and you will be able to apply it in contact fighting. Just the rambling of a mad man here. Hope it was of some help.

[Three Harmonies]

You got the right idea bro!
Who be u?
Cheers
Jake

[ChinoXL]

thx guys.. i guess i'mma stick with mantis i was going to start off with both..