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    Martial arts university?

    Ever since I found out that Chinese Universities had degree programs for martial arts, I’ve wonder if that would ever be possible here.

    If you were to propose a degree program to a major university to create a well rounded knowledgeable martial arts capable of running his own school what would it consist of?

    History, origin, philosophy and cultural impact rolled into one class for each of the following.


    Kung fu 3 credits
    Shaolin
    Wu-Tang
    Arts of the Imperial Palace
    Arts of the professional army
    Folk arts
    Japanese arts 3 credits
    Sumo
    Akijujitsu
    Jujitsu
    Judo
    Aikido
    Korean arts 3 credits
    Tae kwon do
    Hwarng do
    Okinawan Karate 3 credits
    European arts 3 credits
    Sambo
    Savate
    Boxing
    Greek-o-Roman wrestling
    American arts 3 credits
    Capeoira
    BJJ
    Kempo
    Jeet kune do
    South East Asia 3 credits
    Kali, ect
    Muay Tai
    Burmese Boxing
    Modern Martial sports 3 credits
    MMA
    Kick boxing
    San Shou
    UFC
    Modern Professional and Military Arts 3 credits
    Krav maga
    World History of unarmed warfare 3 credits
    Business courses 12 credit hrs
    Practical Applications of Martial arts I, II, III, IV, V, VI, VII, VIII
    One per semester

    Plus course common to physical education

    Rape Aggression Defense
    Methods and Techniques of Gymnastics
    History and Philosophy of Physical Education and Sport
    Sports Officiating
    Anatomical Foundations of Human Activity
    Leadership Practicum
    Movement Theory and Motor Development
    Physiology of Exercise, plus lab
    Human Kinesiology, plus lab
    Psycho-Social Aspects of Human Activity
    Methods of Teaching Physical Education
    Tests and Measurements in Physical Education
    Care and Prevention of Athletic Injuries
    Organization and Administration of Physical Education and Sport
    Facilities Planning and Design
    Gender Issues in Education and Sport
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    What else? Why wouldn't a university do?
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    I think it is possible even for 2 years junior college.

    physical education, some anatomy, sport physiology, history, philosophy, etc,


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    i remember seeing a couple of american colleges that have that. but its only up to a minor or certificate and i think it has more to do with health science, opening a business or just for interest, rather than training fighters. if wushu hits the olympics though you might see it more.

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    Naropa University in Boulder, Colorado, has an accredited Bachelor of Arts program in "Traditional Eastern Arts". The three possible tracks of focus are Tai Chi Chuan, Aikido, and Yoga.

    The Tai chi Link

    The Aikido Link

    The Yoga Link

    I actually am very attracted to thier Aikido program, and would love to move to Boulder and study at Naropa University. The education requirements are in addition to general ed stuff. It's a full Bachelor's Degree.
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    Jack, their aiki program looks alarming touchy-feely! Not up your street I wouldn't have thought!

    SanHeChuan, I think your course structure is a bit too arbitrary...

    For a start, the kungfu should have at least as much acupressure, and TCM options as theory and history on the arts themselves. It is a university course after all... not another route to a black belt or teaching certificate.

    Also, why do the Korean Arts get a whole three credits (you haven't even mentioned Hapkido and who the hell has even heard of Hwarangdo outside of Tekken players? ) when Thai, which is arguably as popular and influential and getting more so is lumped in with relative lightweights (in terms of popularity, not style) like Burmese boxing? I mean, sure Burmese boxing is probably quite closely related to Thai, but Kali?! Again questionably, but there were scores of Indian fighting arts, yet only kali gets a mention... there was a whole warrior class in India for a while before Confucius (remember, which eventually the Buddha belonged to?).

    Notable oversights include the whole of European wrestling tradition and its evolution into catch etc... eg Lancashire, Cumberland, Cornish, Elbow-and-collar etc just in the UK. Also no mention of armed European arts, enjoying a rich tradition through Saxon and Viking arts to the knights and then into fencing etc. Plus European monks' arts... don't forget, Europe's monks were probably the same mix of ex-murderers, bandits and thugs claiming asylum and protecting their mentors' gold stash as the Shaolin ever were... warrior monks weren't limited to the east - remember the Crusades?! Don't forget, these things have been and are being studied in scholastic terms and in some cases as practical arts.

    And talking of which, what about Middle eastern arts?

    I think overall your idea is cool... and I was thinkign about the same thing the other day, but too much emphasis on individual arts and not enough on history, tradition, and especially the associated scientific study that's more difficult to ind in your average dojo/kwoon, like all of the physiology related list you have at the end.

    Incidentally, there is a Budo University over here in Chiba (bit far for me, and I couldn't get funding ) : I'll check into their syllabus and see what I can find... I do know you major in two arts which you practise (every day I think) for the three years of studying other stuff.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mat
    Jack, their aiki program looks alarming touchy-feely! Not up your street I wouldn't have thought!
    Oh I like to be touched and felt as much as the next bloke. Seriously, I wonder about the few photos of thier aikido demonstrations but I like Saotome Sensei's aikido quite a bit, so it can't be all that bad, since he's one of the instructors. Is it the Zen requirements, or the sexy hippie chicks you object to? I'll take a heapin' helpin' of both please!


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    Quote Originally Posted by SanHeChuan View Post

    Kung fu 3 credits
    Shaolin
    Wu-Tang
    Arts of the Imperial Palace
    Arts of the professional army
    Folk arts
    Japanese arts 3 credits
    Sumo
    Akijujitsu
    Jujitsu
    Judo
    Aikido
    Korean arts 3 credits
    Tae kwon do
    Hwarng do
    Okinawan Karate 3 credits
    European arts 3 credits
    Sambo
    Savate
    Boxing
    Greek-o-Roman wrestling
    American arts 3 credits
    Capeoira
    BJJ
    Kempo
    Jeet kune do
    South East Asia 3 credits
    Kali, ect
    Muay Tai
    Burmese Boxing
    Modern Martial sports 3 credits
    MMA
    Kick boxing
    San Shou
    UFC
    Modern Professional and Military Arts 3 credits
    Krav maga
    World History of unarmed warfare 3 credits
    Business courses 12 credit hrs
    Practical Applications of Martial arts I, II, III, IV, V, VI, VII, VIII
    One per semester
    Under Kung Fu you skipped Contemporary Wu Shu, Internal Arts
    Under Korean, you missed Kuk Sul Won, Moon Mu Do, and Tang Soo Do
    Under Japanese you missed Karate (encompasses all style Wado Ryu, Isshin Ryu etc), Ninjitsu, Iado, and Aikijitsu
    Under SE Asia, you missed Pencak Silat and Krabi Krabong
    Under Military, you missed MCMAP (Marine Corp Martial Arts Program, patterned after Krav, but nevertheless an art of it own)

    Otherwise I think UCLA or Berkeley would probably buy this idea. UCLA has a major in Sexual Studies. And Berkeley is liberal enough to buy anything. I bet they would just need professors to get this up and running and get a BS in Physicaly Education of Combative Arts.
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    Degree in Chinese Kung Fu at Henan University

    Shaolin Temple works with university to enroll overseas students for Kung Fu major
    Source: Global Times Published: 2020/12/28 18:07:20


    Performers stage a martial arts performance at Shaolin Temple scenic area on the Mount Songshan, Central China's Henan Province, July 13, 2019. (Photo: Xinhua)

    Shaolin Temple in Central China's Henan Province and Henan University on Monday reached an agreement to jointly open a new major on Chinese Kung Fu, with a focus on overseas students, but the cooperation brought controversy on social media.

    The major will recruit martial arts lovers from around the world and be delivered in Chinese. The course work will be delivered to degree (bachelor's degree, master's degree and PhD) and non-degree students, Henan University announced Sunday.

    So far, what qualifications an applicant needs to be admitted, what courses will be taught, how students' performances will be evaluated, and what students will be required to achieve to graduate, have not been announced.

    The news has sparked heated discussions online, with many saying that the Wushu major would be useless and impractical in modern times; even a waste of valuable educational resources.

    "Why not use educational resources on academic researches or technological innovations," a Chinese netizen commented.

    "Does a PhD student have to deliver PhD-level academic research? If it's just martial arts, it's really just a gimmick," wrote another netizen.

    Some also expressed worry about setting up the major, suggesting it was a publicity stunt and for economic profits, after Ma Baoguo, a self-proclaimed "Supermind" Taichi master, was criticized for destroying a traditional culture and promoting "deformed values" for his indecent use of the martial arts.

    Ma was knocked out within 30 seconds when he challenged a 50-year-old kickboxing coach to a fight in East China's Shandong Province in May, but later earned notoriety for his infamous video speech in which he refused to admit defeat, despite sporting a swollen black eye. His short videos on multiple social networking platforms soon saw endless memes and mocking of Ma.

    But many still expressed their support, believing that the new major could help spread traditional Chinese culture to people overseas. Referring to karate and taekwondo, some hoped Chinese Kung Fu could be promoted to more overseas audiences, with sound and strict rating criteria issued to those with different levels of competency.

    "We need to set up our own brand of traditional Chinese martial arts, a complete set of certification and grading systems, as well as a cultural affinity to attract more to understand Chinese culture," a netizen commented.

    "It's a good thing to have a scientifically systematic discipline that specializes in the transmission of martial arts, which cannot be done without scientific theory. I just hope that China's real martial arts and the spirits of martial arts will be carried on," one said.

    Famed for its long history and excellence in Kung Fu, Shaolin Temple attracts many Kung Fu admirers from all around the world every year.

    The Wushu College of Henan University, which was officially established in November 2019, reached an agreement with the temple to train talents for the global transmission of martial arts, reports said.

    Starting in 2020, the college selects 30 outstanding students every year from its freshmen. Following systematic training, those who are qualified will be sent to the overseas cultural center of Shaolin Temple as coaches after graduation, in a bid to foster the spread of Shaolin Kung Fu to the world.
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    Sacramento State's Combat U

    Uriah Faber, Sacramento State announce first-of-its-kind martial arts university

    The program is scheduled to fully launched this fall semester with workouts starting next month.
    Uriah Faber, Sacramento State announce first-of-its-kind martial arts university

    Author: Staff (ABC10), Lora Painter
    Published: 10:09 PM PST January 18, 2024
    Updated: 11:32 PM PST January 18, 2024

    SACRAMENTO, Calif. — A UFC great is teaming up with Sacramento State University for a first of its kind martial arts university.
    "We're at a pivotal point. We're taking a step forward in making something that hasn't been available, available," said UFC Hall of Famer Urijah Faber.
    Faber, also a former MMA world champion and California native, and Sacramento State President Luke Wood announced the creation of "Combat U," a university-backed combat sports development program.
    Faber's "Ultimate Fitness" gym is one of the top MMA gyms in the world and is near the Sacramento State campus. He will serve as the program's executive coach.
    "What this is going to do is create access to higher education for people who often times would not have said 'my next step is going to college,'" said Wood.
    Sacramento State said the first-of-its-kind program is open to men and women. It'll also provide a pathway to a university education for students from traditionally underrepresented backgrounds and high-level opportunities for combat sports training and competition.
    "Super excited for the program. I think there's a lot of benefits to be reaped," said Logan Farrar, a Sacramento State junior. "It's a great opportunity for international students coming here. We're the first university in the world doing something like this, and it's a great opportunity."
    Combat U will provide professional-level instruction and competition opportunities in boxing, wrestling, Muay Thai and jiu-jitsu.
    "I can tell you interest has come from students all over the world," said Mark Orr, Sacramento State director of athletics.
    Current professional fighters and boxers will serve as coaches. Students of all levels are welcome, including anyone interested in health and fitness or for the competition.
    The program is scheduled to fully launched this fall semester with workouts starting next month.
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    "If you were to propose a degree program to a major university to create a well rounded knowledgeable martial arts capable of running his own school what would it consist of?"

    Seems like there's so much to unpack in the above sentence alone. For one, capability of running a successful school involves more than being a great martial artist. It also depends largely upon marketing ability. Therefore, sales training (how to take phone calls and schedule appointments), advertising (how and where to advertise to attract business), in person sales (how to close a deal and sign-up walk-ins), selection of location (remember....location, location, location), teaching exciting classes that make students stay.....these are only the few things that come to my mind as I type. Each of these areas can be a class unto itself yet cannot guarantee success.

    I am also unsure of what type of person this proposed university is trying to produce. Is it someone with competent knowledge "about" the different martial arts or a master of a particular art? The latter can take significant part of a person's life. For example, there are boxing champions who have done nothing but box since childhood. Therefore, this achievement (of mastery and skill) under the curriculum you propose (with it's variety of arts from different parts of the world) is seemingly impossible to achieve in the time it takes one to enter and graduate from a university. Maybe I'm missing something here? If we're speaking of "book learning" about the different arts alone then, again, how applicable is it really for a person who runs a school teaching Southern Kung-Fu, for example, to know and be able to recite the history of Tae Kwon Do? It would do nothing for their business or to improve their students.

    I'll be honest, as for the investment of attending university to become a great martial artist or great school owner, I would not recommend anyone put their eggs in that basket. Yet, if martial arts is a gateway to attend college and an education and marketable skill of some other sort is the goal then I think it's a great thing.
    Last edited by Lucky Bamboo; 01-20-2024 at 05:49 PM.

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    Probably a non-degree certificate program. Looks interesting, you could easily package the necessary educational components to create a program like this at a University.

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