who's the best wing chun guy

[Green Cloud]

Just wondering who is the best wing chun guy in William Chungs camp, and who is most senior???

[Ray Pina]

Whoever he is he should go play with Emin Boztepe .... I was impressed with that guy's power. Though, I have to say, I've worked on some stuff since then and would like to have a real go at him. But now we're friends.

Man, just realised that all my crazy antics .... really, they expose me to stuff and I'm growing. Guess this is a good thing. Also a good thing I escaped my last fight mostly in one piece

[gabe]

I'm told it's Keith Mazza. I believe he fought in Extreme Fighting and won.

[sihing]

Just wondering who is the best wing chun guy in William Chungs camp, and who is most senior???

Out of the remaining students in the association, meaning the ones still with GM Cheung, the best is supposed to be Sifu Keith Mazza (he's something like 6'3" and 240lbs and has fought successfully in NHB events), from New Jersey.

My Sifu was with GM Cheung up until 94'. He learned TWC from Cheung himself in Aussie Land back in 86' and learned the whole Cirriculum in 8 months, returning back home here in 87'. There is also Sifu Rick Spain from Australia, who won the Hong Kong fighting championship back in 82' I believe, middleweight division (Spain is also no longer associated with Cheung). Another TWC practitioner under Cheung, his name is Joe (can't spell his last name), won the heavyweight division for that same year also. I've only heard good things about Spain, but have never seen him in action.

James

[Ray Pina]

Important note: a lot has changed in the world of competitive martial arts since 1982. What cut it then could get you killed today.

[Green Cloud]

Keith mazza seems to be the senior guy right now and yea I met him and he's a big mo fo.

[sihing]

Green Cloud,

Take a look at the link I have on my Signature. That's my Sifu's webpage (I'm trying to set one up here soon). There's some history and video(scroll down half way on the home page on the lefthand side and there they are). Check them out...

James

[Phil Redmond]

Keith mazza seems to be the senior guy right now and yea I met him and he's a big mo fo.

Actually Gus, there are a few more senior than Keith Mazza. I am one of them. Keith Mazza's school is the headquarters for North America though. Keith was a student of Gary Young. I was present in NJ at William Cheungs 65th birthday party in Oct. 2005 when Keith Mazza was accepted as an 'Indoor" student by Cheung Sifu. He is now officially a student of William Cheung and not Gary Young.
And with regards to Keith being on any website link for MMA he probably wouldn't be. He had some problems with the organization he fought for and he left them. So I can see them not putting his name on any list.
Phil

[sihing]

Important note: a lot has changed in the world of competitive martial arts since 1982. What cut it then could get you killed today.

I'm not sure what the rules where of the event, but I think Spain fought with a injured hand and still won.

James

[Green Cloud]

Nice web site Sihing, what lineage are you guys from??? Did you check ou my site, The mook jung stuff that I'm diong is not wing chun just in case youre wondering.

[sihing]

Nice web site Sihing, what lineage are you guys from??? Did you check ou my site, The mook jung stuff that I'm diong is not wing chun just in case youre wondering.

Thanks for the compitment on the site.

Good question regarding the lineage. Basically Sifu learned WSL system back in the mid 70's while he was teaching/training Hung Gar and Woo Dip (a rare Butterfly palms system). At that time these were his main styles but he dabbled in other systems also. Then in 86' he travelled to Australia to train under GM Cheung, but was only able to stay in that country for a year, so he trained all day most everyday to complete the level 1 to 10 (Sifu level cirriculum) in that short amount of time. In 94' he decided to leave GM Cheung's association. Before that happened Sifu set up his own association, Canadian Wing Chun Kung Fu Association, to which Calgary is the headquarters and he is the Chief Instructor/Leader.

Yes I visited your site and watched some of the Mok Jong vid. Interesting stuff's, you have fast hands.

I have some vids of myself doing the mok jong and Butterfly swords on youtube.com, just type in WC and they are there.

James

[NeuroGrrrl]

Important note: a lot has changed in the world of competitive martial arts since 1982. What cut it then could get you killed today.

Ray, could you elaborate on this?

[Ray Pina]

In 1982 I was winning a lot of tournaments standing on one leg throwing out side kicks ... of course, I was just a kid. But I watched the adult full contact fights too and it was pretty much the same .... side kick, side kick, roundhouse, punching, break.

I even think 1982 may have been pre ninja, pre star-spangled gi. It was definitely pre take-you-down----pin-you---punch-you-to-a-pulp.

In effect, things are different today. What cut it then could get you killed today.

[SevenStar]

Ray, could you elaborate on this?

tournaments have changed a lot since then, mainly due the popularity of san da, full contact fighting in general and mma. outside of muay thai, you rarely saw leg kicks, and you NEVER saw ground work. Also, that was almost 30 years ago. there have been many advances in our knowledge of proper training since then. So, the fighters from today would most likely be bettered conditioned than those of the past.

[MeatTosser]

tournaments have changed a lot since then, mainly due the popularity of san da, full contact fighting in general and mma. outside of muay thai, you rarely saw leg kicks, and you NEVER saw ground work. Also, that was almost 30 years ago. there have been many advances in our knowledge of proper training since then. So, the fighters from today would most likely be bettered conditioned than those of the past.

in past "regular" tournaments of past decades, yes. But if we go back further than this century, a lot of tournaments were brutal, and often to near-death. (Not often in Western areas though, although they probably had their undeground circuit.) Plus, even in this century, there have always been the seedy, underground, illegal NHB matches in China, in the dark recesses of cities, heh heh. Of course, it wouldn't be wise for someone to go there willingly, unless maybe you really needed the money.