Risk Management / Longevity

[Ao Qin]

I am interested in health and longevity for whatever reason,

So...I did some research on the lifespans of the founders / grandmasters / famous practitioners, etc...if you only care about fighting with people and dying young, this won't interest you. However, please look, read comment, contribute, etc. This is obviously not a scientific study, so please no-one get their hair in a knot. I am obviously lacking in all kinds of info - especially internal / Northern arts - so let's get this started and see where it goes - there must be some benefit to living a long, healthy, and productive life, even if the practioner doesn't engage in UFC competitions to "prove" how tough they are (Dragon motto; "It's not when you start to count, but when you finish - making the difference").

Sort of a "risk management" question - what would the insurance people rate you on based on the art you practice?


Dragon Style:

Lam Yiu Kwai (1876-1968); 93 years old
Chow Fook (1910-1999); 89 years old
Lam Woon Kwong (1902-1982); 80 years old

Average retirement age: 87.3 years old

Hung Gar:

Wong Fei Hung (1850-1933); 83
Lam Sai Wing (1861-1942); 81
Tang Fung (1874-1955); 80
Yuen Ling (1910-1967); 57

Average retirement age: 75.25

Choy Lee Fut:

Chan Heung (1806-1875); 69
Chan Goon Bak (1847-1920); 73
Lee Koon Hung (1943-1996); 53
Chan Yiu Chi (1888-1965); 77

Average retirement age: 68

Others:

Lum Tai Yong (Fut Gar) 1895-1957; 62
Lee Siong Pheow (Jook Lum) 1886-1960; 74
Dean Chin (Jow Gar) 1950-1985; 35
Yip Man (Wing Chun) 1895-1973; 78
Bruce Lee (Wing Chun) 1940-1973; 33
Wang Shu Chin (Pa Kua) 1905-1981; 76
Sun Lu Tang (Tai Chi) 1859-1933; 74
Yin Fu (Hsing-I, Ba Gua) 1840-1909; 69
Ueshiba Morihei (Aikido) 1883-1969; 86
Gichin Funakoshi (Shotokan) 1868-1957; 88
Chojun Miyagi (Goju) 1889-1953; 6

Looking forward to responses!

AQ

[green_willow]

I am interested in health and longevity for whatever reason,

So...I did some research on the lifespans of the founders / grandmasters / famous practitioners, etc...if you only care about fighting with people and dying young, this won't interest you. However, please look, read comment, contribute, etc. This is obviously not a scientific study, so please no-one get their hair in a knot. I am obviously lacking in all kinds of info - especially internal / Northern arts - so let's get this started and see where it goes - there must be some benefit to living a long, healthy, and productive life, even if the practioner doesn't engage in UFC competitions to "prove" how tough they are (Dragon motto; "It's not when you start to count, but when you finish - making the difference").

Sort of a "risk management" question - what would the insurance people rate you on based on the art you practice?


Dragon Style:

Lam Yiu Kwai (1876-1968); 93 years old
Chow Fook (1910-1999); 89 years old
Lam Woon Kwong (1902-1982); 80 years old

Average retirement age: 87.3 years old

Hung Gar:

Wong Fei Hung (1850-1933); 83
Lam Sai Wing (1861-1942); 81
Tang Fung (1874-1955); 80
Yuen Ling (1910-1967); 57

Average retirement age: 75.25

Choy Lee Fut:

Chan Heung (1806-1875); 69
Chan Goon Bak (1847-1920); 73
Lee Koon Hung (1943-1996); 53
Chan Yiu Chi (1888-1965); 77

Average retirement age: 68

Others:

Lum Tai Yong (Fut Gar) 1895-1957; 62
Lee Siong Pheow (Jook Lum) 1886-1960; 74
Dean Chin (Jow Gar) 1950-1985; 35
Yip Man (Wing Chun) 1895-1973; 78
Bruce Lee (Wing Chun) 1940-1973; 33
Wang Shu Chin (Pa Kua) 1905-1981; 76
Sun Lu Tang (Tai Chi) 1859-1933; 74
Yin Fu (Hsing-I, Ba Gua) 1840-1909; 69
Ueshiba Morihei (Aikido) 1883-1969; 86
Gichin Funakoshi (Shotokan) 1868-1957; 88
Chojun Miyagi (Goju) 1889-1953; 6

Looking forward to responses!

AQ

As for insurence - it depends on whether you are asking about life insurence or medical insurence. As you know training has its bumps and bruises. But I always say what doesn't kill you probably makes you stronger!

[Ou Ji]

Yeah, but you could also say what doesn't kill you now could kill you later.

Small injuries could get magnified by time.

[GreenCloudCLF]

So Lung Ying players live longer??

I'll take the lower life span and stay with CLF/Lama!!

[green_willow]

Yeah, but you could also say what doesn't kill you now could kill you later.

Small injuries could get magnified by time.

Yes, hence they all eventually died

[hskwarrior]

Green Willow

You Need To Get The Marines To Teach You How To Spell A Little Bit Before You Can Exchange Comments With Real Gung Fu People.

You Are Full Of Bs.

[hskwarrior]

What Do You Mean Probably? What You Mean You Are Not Sure If What Doesn't Kill You Makes You Stronger?

Yeah You Probably May Know What You're Talking About, But I Seriously Doubt That.

[hskwarrior]

AO QIN,

THEN YOU HAVE..........

lAU bUN OF clf (1891-1967) 76 YRS OLD

[David Jamieson]

i think Lam Jo at 95 years would bump that Hung Ga number up a bit too

[GreenCloudCLF]

Chan Tai San was 83...you can put him down for CLF...

[Firehawk4]

Are you sure that Lee Siong Pheow (Jook Lum) 1886-1960 is from Jook Lum Southern Mantis where did you here that ? Lee Siong Pheow comes from Chuka Shaolin Phoenix Eye Fist . Also dont forget about those Fukien White Crane Masters they live to be real old .

[Ao Qin]

Ok - that's a good start so far! I'll add Lam Jo, Chan Tai Shan and Lau Bun! I'd love to learn more! When this thread has officially died, I will summarize all the input in the last post.

Firehawk - I'll double check my source - but I am generalizing when I "lump" Southern Mantis styles together (Chow Gar, Chu Gar, "Chu Ka", Jook Lum, Iron Ox, etc.) - all excellent styles with the same general root. I could include Bak Mei and Lung Ying too I suppose...but I don't want to!

GreencloudCLF - on the surface, it appears LY'ers live longer than CLF'ers. But maybe you guys enjoy the adrenaline rush more than we do...
Cheers - kevin

[Asmo]

More Hung Gar:

Dai Sigung Chiu Kao, almost 100 (1895-1995) and his wife Dai Sigung Shiu Ying 96 (1906-2002).

Very repectable ages.

[GreenCloudCLF]

Great-Grandmaster Hu Yuen Chou (1906-1997) 91
Chan Cheong-Mo (1868 - 1956) 88
Chan Ngau Sing (aka Chan Kwok Choi), (1864-1926) 62


THree more for ya...even included a low one, so you didn't think I was being biased

[Ao Qin]

Hmmm...perhaps my research was a bit flawed...thank you for everyone's input! I'll still wait a bit, but I hope no-one is feeding me any "barium enemas" (in the words of Sifu Davies)...still no word from the Wing Chung'ers or anyone Northern / Internal. Maybe because I didn't post this there.

Cheers - AQ