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    I heard that - in essense - Taiji's 5 steppings and TCM's 5 element theory are the same thing, just presented differently. Wikipedia explained it as:

    These elements were used for describing interactions and relationships between phenomena. Five phases is another way of translating wǔxíng — literally, "five goings". Traditional Taijiquan schools relate them to footwork and refer to them as five "steps".
    What I am currious about is how they are linked, exactly. What steps replace each element? Are the creation of overriding cycles combat-related, or do they exist more for the manipulation of qi (considering this is Taiji, I really shouldn't have to ask that :P).

    Could someone explain this to me?
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    It's footwork. Taiji was a martial art long before it was anything else.
    STEP (look or what ever action):
    left
    right
    forward
    backward
    central equilibrium (not quite so simple)

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    I understand Taiji's 5 steps, but what I don't understand is how exactly it is linked to TCM's 5 element theory.
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    I think what Buddy's saying is that the Taoist stuff was attributed to the movements after the fact.

    The 5 steps are forward, back, left, right, zhong ding.

    These were related to the 5 elements or Wu Xing.

    The 8 energy-skills are peng, lu, ji, an, lie, cai, zhou and kao. These were related to the 8 trigrams or the Ba Gua.

    Together they add up to 13, which is sometimes referred to as the "13 postures." But really its 5 steps and 8 energy-skills.

    I just attended a workshop on this very topic and my teacher basically said that peng jin and zhong ding are the most important because all the other energies depend on them.

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    I think I understand now; thanks
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