Originally Posted by
Green Cloud
The original question was Why CMA doesn't win in the UFC. I will say it ONE LAST TIME. If this were a court of law this question would have been thrown out due to inconclusive evidence. That means that there isn't enough evidence to support this argument or claim.
Seven* I'm just pointing out the obvious, you guys waste a lot of time trying to prove that CMA is not effective when it comes to fighting. Not true we just don't travel in the same circles. I have guys competing in all different venues, sometimes they win sometimes they loose it's all part of the training.
you need to read more of my posts, dude. My only qualm with CMA in terms of competing is the training methodology. If you notice, I've never said "CMA loses in MMA because it sucks" I say their training methodology is off base for MMA venues. The same applies most other TMA as well.
St said hoi lee is not a fighter, how does he know that. did he ever fight the guy. The statement is, stupid the man is what in his 50's he is now a coach he doesn't fight any more.
you don't have to have fought a person to know whether or not they are fighters. He did acknowledge that the man had skill - leave it at that. I don't have to fight my cousin to know that he's no fighter. There's no shame in not being a fighter. whether he was or not should not matter. And if it did, it should only matter to lee himself.
That's like saying my sifu is not a fighter no da the man is dead.
nah, that's different - unless someone had experience with your sifu (as ST has with lee) and knew of him not to be a fighter. ST said that at the time he wasn't coaching - at least not for san shou - that's why he sent him to barry.
As far as respect goes I don't see any, not when respected sifus are expected to walk into the octagon to support their argument.
nobody said you HAD to. However, if you are a fighter, you would think that you would be active in some way, be it fighting, coaching or otherwise. He gave respect to him when he said lee's kung fu was good. Did you skip over that comment?
Petty ****e like spelling that these guys always bring up as an argument. Common have you ever seen a Dr, fill out a prescription. Just because I don't take the time to use spell check doesn't mean I'm not smart.
LMAO... I'm guilty of this and do it to fock with you and your guys. This started way back when you were talking about something (being anal, maybe? I can't recall) yet you made all types of errors in spelling, so I was being anal and pointing them out. Then your wrestler guy started posting and he had worse errors than you , so I was pointing them out. Then today, you talk of us being neanderthals - primitive beings, yet you are the one with primitive spelling... As for doctors, they write sloppy on purpose to prevent various things from happening. I'm sure you don't use typos on purpose.
The fact is if you go back and read some of the threads the MMA guys like KF come off very rude.
only when discussions go to the point of being stupid, like this one is starting to do, or when people get irate at us first. Look at some of the old threads I've been in on the mantis forum. Shirkers is real quick to get an attitude in posting, so I get one back. just forum fu, I guess.
7* just because I don't collect UFC players cards and know all the stats that doesn't mean I don't know what I am talking about.
Wow, they have player cards now??? where can I get them? Anyway, in this case, you were wrong. quite wrong. that's fine that you mixed up chuck and randy, but to attribute chuck's success solely to his stand up is dead wrong. Just like attributing cung le's success only to san da is dead wrong.
The bottom line is Kung Fu is a different mind set and you guys don't understand it or care to.
you'd be surprised what we understand or would care to. we are generally more open minded than TMA are. I've posted several experiences on this forum where I have met TMA in real life that dis everything that is not TMA.
I know what why don't we hold a MMA event for all the guys on this thread and lets see who shows up.
if I can work my schedule around it, I'll be there. I was actually supposed to be at Ross' seminar in feb (weren't you there?) but work wouldn't permit it.
Show me where Kung Fu guys have competed in UFC and lost to MMA, And Seven please don't repeat your self with the handfull of guys that you mentioned that I never herd of give me a break.
who you heard of doesn't matter. It's documented evidence. look up UFC results and you will find them. use your web-fu. a search will pull up lists of kung fu guys who have fought and lost. Most you likely will not have heard of. After all, you were the one who said the guys with REAL skill are likely never to compete in such events.
The fact is if any one of you guys stepped on the mat with me I'l wip you like yo Moma should have.
LOL, and you complain about OUR attitudes??
Kung Fu trains for the street not for MMA Octagon, our national sport is San Da San Shou. That is our venue. We have other persuits and Ideals, not the same as MMA people.
training for the street is irrelevant. What we do works in the street just as yours does. I use it on my second job every night. judo, MT and bjj have yet to fail me in the club I work at.
We do not give into the flavor of the month not that we don't take it into consideration when it comes to training.
we don't give into anything. striking and grappling. that's all MMA is. It constantly evolves - it has to, as fighters evolve. that is its nature. Non competition makes you stagnant. No offense, but what you take into consideration is irrelevant. Look at all the schools (I've personally seen several) where that say "this is how you defend against a double leg" and they are doing nothing more than a sloppy tackle, which is worlds different from a double leg, as any grappler will happily show you. look at the knife defenses you see in a lot of schools. Put them against a kalista and they would be castrated. the best way to learn about another style is to interract with them, not try to find defenses against similar attacks within your own style - That's reinventing the wheel. let him attack you. Then you figure our how do deal with it within the context of your style.
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