Nah Eddie, the information is already on my links pages (in Chinese) and if anyon wanted to all they have to do is copy and paste either the chinese characters of Hung SIng CLF or just CLF and do a google search. there's lots of information from many different resources.
As I've said already, at the time of the Japanese Invasion of the late 1930's (i guess do to all the destrcution and clean up) the actual ancestral tablets with Monk Ching Cho's name on it, as well as some Kuen Po's were excavated, possibly by HSK Manager Huang ShenJiang but he is the one who mentions the discovery of it.
As we all know the King Mui branch claims that all of a sudden after 150 or more years discovered that Monk Ching Cho was actually Monk Choy Fook. However they have no more information on him than that. You can check the CLF chan family site in China to see if they say more but they don't. Remember, at one point he didn't exist. Now he does.
However, the disciples of Jeong Hung Sing passed down their oral history mouth to mouth. Most of the people in southern China couldn't read or write so the only way they could was orally.
The Fut San branch has way more information on the Green Grass Monk than the CHan family because the Green Grass Monk was Jeong Yim's sifu. Now, the Old Greenie went by other names like Monk Um Ging, and Cai DeZhong (tsai De Jung or Choy DakJung). Cai DeZHong IS one of the 5 founding ancestors of the Hung Mun (the second coming). Historical data discovered while performing raids and capturing certain people have confiscated actual literature, ceremonial, and such about the Hung Mun, something all members must carry with them to be identified by another (aside of their secret hand signs).
anyways, the second coming of the Hung Mun secret society was recorded as being in the late 1760's. With the record of Jeong Yim stating that at the age of 17 (1831) he went to the Green Grass Monk because of being Kicked out of the CHan Family Kwoon. So when asked, yes, it was completely possible and most likely probable that Jeong Yim's account of the Green Grass Monk is true.
Now, after Jeong Yim completed his training with Monk Ching Cho, as we all know and heard before, he changed Jeong Yim's name and replaced it with Hung Sing.
The Hung used was the one of the Hung Society with the word Victory in it. Most men who followed the Hung Mun back then added the Hung to their names. So Monk Ching CHo since he was the head guy of the Hung Mun, used a name for Jeong Yim to reflect the revolutionary ideal of that time.
Monk Ching Cho then instructed Jeong Yim to go to Fut San and contact the heads of the Fut San Hung Mun headquarters, join in the revolution and train the members of their organizations. Jeong Hung Sing became one of the main Gung Fu instructors.
As well, I'm not saying there wasn't any Chan Family people in Fut San teaching Chan Heungs Choy Lee Fut. But I don't believe that Chan Heung sent him to take over the blind guys gung fu studio. What I believe is after Jeong Yim shared Monk Ching Cho's gung fu with Chan Heung, he obeyed his last sifu and told Chan Heung he was going to Fut San, and that's when Chan Heung told Jeong Hung Sing to take over that school.
Jeong Yim was going to Fut San regardless to contact the Fut San Hung Mun. So what better deal could you get? Thats when Jeong Yim went and opened the Hung Sing Kwoon. Now, from what I understand is that Jeong Yim changed the name of CHan Heung's school and used his own name. Most likely since he was a member of the Hung Mun now.
Ever since, Jeong Yim's Hung SIng Kwoon was been deeply connected to the Hung Mun secret society. The head of that secret society was Cai Dezhong, (the green grass monk) as well as being Jeong Yim's last sifu. Proof of the connection to the Fut San Hung Mun is the set up of the alter.
In some of the King Mui photo's of their school, i only saw a large table with Chan Heung's picture above it. If Chan Heung was a member (which i doubt) then it doesn't show in the set up of his school. However, Jeong Yim's school is widely known for its revolutionary involvements, and you can see in the photo (i'll try to post the photo later) that Jeong Yim's schools alter is set up like this.......there the table, the photo or image or whatever to represent Jeong Hung Sing , and in front of the table is two chairs. one for the sifu, and one for his disciple. that was common throughout southern china and in most styles, but most southern styles were in one way or another involved with the hung mun or the relovution.
Jeong Yim's secong generation disciples sich as Liang Hui Hua, Qian Wei Fang, Wu Qin, and others were heavily involved in the fight. Wu Qin was Dr Sun Yat Sen's personal bodyguard.
well, thats all for now,
look forward to hearing from most and i do mean most not all of you.
hsk
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