Originally Posted by
kidswarrior
In fact, your action here to promote peace whenever possible goes to my belief about why there is no TMA movement underway to defeat MMA's in a contest (octagon, whatever). I personally see the ultimate goal of TMA as building the calm, confident demeanor to walk away from an antagonist whenever possible (if he leaves us no choice, well then, that's the other part of why we train). MMA is intended for the opposite: taking on the antagonist no matter what, and from what I've seen, further antagonizing and attempting to intimidate him leading up to the fight. This posturing, hubris, and trash talking is also why I don't watch boxing anymore.
no, MMA and boxing are professional level events... they get paid for them... humans like drama and creates interest... their interest sells tickets. Period. Most of the mma guys I know are more humble and calm than most of the tma that I know. That is a trait which competition is great at building. At the end of the day, it's about the competition. I've beaten guys who after losing offered to buy drinks. A guy that I lost to came to my school afterward to train. mma guys are no different from anyone else. People unitiated to mma - like many on this board - don't know that.
So here's my question: would a TMA who showed up for a MMA event get a standing ovation for turning and walking away rather than fighting? If not, maybe
that is our answer to why we haven't seen more TMAs in contests: any TMA/CMA master who glorified and promoted violence is not someone I would want to train with, emulate, or send my students to. Fortunately, I don't personally know of any.
I love it when people try to rationalize something so simple. you don't see tma in mma because on average, they lose. the tma training regimen would have to drastically change in order for it to be successful, and many are not willing to do that. Consequently, they don't compete in the mma venue. There is nothing wrong with that, it's just preference. How can a tma compete in forms and point tournies, then say they have no desire to compete, so they don't do mma? that's crap. That applies to any venue. You have to train a certain way for it. I for example, being primarily a contact guy, regularly got points taken away from me in point sparring tournies for excessive contact. I can spar lightly, but when competing, it wasn't what I was used to - that wasn't the venue I was training for.
Look at san shou. it's a competition venue stemming from traditional cma. However, I bet a lot of cma would suck at it. Why? because they don't train for that venue. Bottom line is that it's an issue of training for the venue and whether or not you want to train for that venue.
Several cma and jma - even some on this forum - have competed in mma. If tma won more often, you would actually see MORE tma competing, because people would be flocking to it to train. Honestly, I'm expecting to see a boom in san shou in the coming years. san shou combined with wrestling, IMO would be great for mma, and now that there are some san shou guys doing mma, I think it's popularity will slowly increase. Once the san shou guys start fighting in the major events, it will greatly increase.
To answer your question though, no, he would not get a standing ovation. Why? because mma events aren't spur of the moment like a point tourney, where a bunch of people just enter. you are told months ahead of time who your opponent is, and your opponent trains specifically for you. If it's a pro event, there is money involved. Even if it's amateur, spectators pay for tickets. By showing for the event, then walking away, you are wasting people's time and money. No way would you receive a standing ovation for that.
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