When is this crap gonna stop?

[Lama Pai Sifu]

I used to enjoy this forum awhile back. There were actually some interesting discussions from time to time. But now...

Now this is a place where retards act like infants,.. talk smack about lineage, and how thier wang is bigger than that guy's wang..etc.

It's really pathetic, don't you think?

All the crap about "You have insulted my sifu/my lineage/my style/my branch." What a bunch of babies.

What is wrong with you people? Chan Family, Fut San Kuyhnn, Chan Heung's the founder, no he is not, cut and paste fu, I know this form, you don't....Lau Bun is the best, DFW didnt learn much from him, You don't know Noi Lim Sao...blah blah blah.

Do you see what a bunch of idiots you look like? It's really sad.

There are a few cool people on here, but the bad apples have permanantly spoiled it for everyone. I hope you are happy.

Whatever you 'tards think you are doing to benefit CMA, you have done more to tear it apart with your BS than you will ever do to build it up. Shame on you.

Don't bother responding to this post. I am officially gone from this forum. Save your smack-talk. Get yer lazy arses back to training/teaching, whatever.

Sifu Parrella-Out! See you in the movies!

[Fu-Pow]

Hey Michael I agree with pretty much everything you wrote but if you leave then the balance of the forum just goes to the trolls. I just make liberal use of the ignore list feature...it makes a world of difference...its like having 2 different forums.

Plus kennyfist/vstanmore/mistystiker is gone for the time being so hopefully things will improve dramatically.

Whatever you decide to do I wish you well.

FP

[firepalm]

I've mentioned something to this effect a few times! Personally I think Chan Heung, Jeong Yim, Tam Sam and so on are currently sitting in the 'After Life Bar' and the only thing they are talking about is how it sucked living in their time with no Satelight TV, no good beer and no babes that look like Zhang Zhiyi!

[Eddie]

and worst of all, NO internet!

imagine that- clf people who has no internet access to flame other clf people

[hskwarrior]

wait wait wait wait wait.

i know i wasn't called an idiot.

kennyfist chose to come back here under 3 names to flame the fire of yes i mean all of our choy lee fut bs. I fought back in a half hearted manner and played with the cut and paste thing because he chose to insult me, my sifu, my lineage and he also insulted in my opinion anyone who is not a direct chan family member.

I chose to get him banned, and then in return i went back and deleted ALL my previous posts because they were never meant in the manner kenny presented.

to lump ME in with them and then call me an idiot, i don't appreciate that. yes i may have allowed my self to fall for his bs and get involved with it, but it's my name on the line not yours.

there are idiots all over this forum, and i do mean alot of us here are idiots. and that does inlclude many many of us.

If it weren't for this history sheet, there wouldn't be any problems. I guess it's not bad enough that you have to worry about how you're going to keep the school going, students jumping ship, sifu's taking their students students, commercial sifu's vs. more underground type sifu's.

to tell you the truth, it can make a man want to quit gung fu all together and take up knitting or something.

Mike, you have went through your fare share of bs on here as well. the drama with gus' student who beat yours. I mean, everyone who knew felt the tension between two classmates.

let's not forget, in this forum, we are a community where everyone knows each other. so when something goes wrong because it gets boring in the neighborhood, that's when everyone gets on the band wagon because they are tired of being bored.

So, ending, the fact that I am promoting, writing, and researching the choy lee fut system (something not done by you guys here) got a few books on the subject i'm working on, trying to launch a CLF sequel called "sifu's kitchen", i got the only site that contains all three lineages history, all together i got about more than 20 sites out there promoting CLF. So, i take real offense when someone calls me an idiot.

to me that's not cool.......i've kept my mouth shut about alot of you guys i can easily say are idiots.

[David Jamieson]

So, ending, the fact that I am promoting, writing, and researching the choy lee fut system (something not done by you guys here) got a few books on the subject i'm working on, trying to launch a CLF sequel called "sifu's kitchen", i got the only site that contains all three lineages history, all together i got about more than 20 sites out there promoting CLF. So, i take real offense when someone calls me an idiot.

to me that's not cool.......i've kept my mouth shut about alot of you guys i can easily say are idiots.

well, you have a site. You've stirred up some controversy. You actively participated in causality of division where there was little before. And then, you finish it off by telling the others they aren't doing anything, you imply they are inferior, you generate large amounts of information on your own as if because you say it enough times, it's truie.

repititon doesn't make it true, it just makes it heard more often.

And I would also say, that not unlike me, YOu're the last guy who keeps his mouth shut. lol. YOu're one of the biggest antagonists I've ever seen here and I been here a looooong time on this bits and bytes o kungfu forum.

just wanting to point it out. Frankly, I know less about CLF now than when I started reading all this stuff. Seems like there is cause for dischord throughout. Seems like there is confliict within the house and it is being caused by it's least senior members as is the way usually.

No insults intended, but you guys are smearing yourselves with sh1t and teh rest of us are standing here watching and wondering why the fug you would commit this sabotage on yoruself and a style that you say is precious to you.

[TenTigers]

this sh!t never ends, and it's not just here. Wing Chun guys always bicker about whose lineage is right-and funny thing is, they all refuse to look at Fujian Young Chun Bai-Ho (Fukien WING CHUN Bak-Hok), Hung-Ga guys love to have pi$$ing matches about whose style is purer, and we are the "original Mutt Style" as my Si-Hing DF so aptly puts it. Wong Fei-Hung combined several systems to create Guongdong Hung-Ga, and each generation added their own thing-and we are only four generations old. There are people saying Lam Sai-Wing taught Tang-Fong yadda-yadda. Thag Fong didn't lower his standards yadda-yadda. Hell, my Hung-Ga looks different than everyone else's, and ya know what. I don't really care what people think about it. I know my guys are good, and so does everyone else. That's all I need to know. Period.
CLF evidently has had several people involved in different stages of its development. That's great! That means you get to see so many variations, so many flavors.
We should be saying,
"How many (your art here) practitioners does it take to screw in a lightbulb?"
"Four. One to screw it in, and the other three to say,"Hey, that's cool. We do it a little different"
When are you guys gonna realize that it's all good. Mo Lum Yat Ga.

[CLFNole]

It will stop when we start talking about CLF and not history. Let each person believe what they want and don't push your beliefs onto someone else.

Then of course we will start arguing who has a better chop choy but that is for another day.

[yutyeesam]

Then of course we will start arguing who has a better chop choy but that is for another day.

Now that's an argument that I would fully endorse and get behind!

Unfortunately, if there isn't a lineage flame war on here, this place is pretty quiet. For example, Extrajoseph is very knowledgeable and has a lot of information I think we can all benefit from, but it seems like he never comes on here to share much knowledge unless a lineage flamewar starts.

-123

[@PLUGO]

wait wait wait wait wait.

I chose to get him banned, and then in return i went back and deleted ALL my previous posts because they were never meant in the manner kenny presented.

You're being a bit disingenuous there. You did not "choose" to have "him" banned. He got himself banned when he refused to play nice. The warning to play nice went to the both of you; you simply displayed enough sense to keep the axe from falling on your own head.

It was also suggested to you that you go back to delete those posts. You could instead, have opted to ignor them and not participate in any flame wars.

[hskwarrior]

david jamieson,

i know you think you have something to say, but i feel if you are not choy lee fut then you should keep out of it. it's for choy lee fut people to work out. not for people from others systems to worry about.

you just want to get in on the controversy. i don't know you, don't care, and don't care what you have to say since you are always playing the devil's advocate or just to play the opposite cause you are bored. you have nothing, or have ever contributed to choy lee fut so why does OUR battle have to even cross your lips.

to everyone else, i do feel the actual history of choy lee fut can be our down fall, and because one side wants to claim ALL power, while the others feel the have equal share is when the power struggle begins.

as i've said for most of the time i've been a member on this forum i've always said that all i was trying to do was tell the history of the fut san hsk. if it differed to that of the chan family, then there must be a reason somewhere. but as we've all seen, choy lee fut is focked up when it comes to history. that's right. i'm not focked up. CHOY LEE FUT"S HISTORY is focked up.

although EJ has never seen any actual writings of chan heung he battles with anyone who opposes their history. for example, the green grass monk has and will always be a hung sing character, and not a chan family one. but because of this battle it has caused the chan family alter their history to include ggm.

For decades, only the chan family history of clf came out. when we started telling the fut san history, no one welcomed it because no one heard of it before. Including any school that has fut san hsk in it, i know their lineages told of the green grass monk. Instead of listening to the history, exploring it without malice, we all could have been instrumental in putting back together the pieces.

Instead, this side says this, that side says that. a division was already preset long before me, and i am in no way responsible for any ill affects because of my passion for the history of MY branch. I will be satisfied in being known as a participator of the history battle, not some villain who intended to spread evil.

for example, not one of you knew anything about the green grass monk. however, by doing my own research i have learned alot about who the GGM may have been. the other side claimed for so llong he was a myth. but, now there are many writings that mention ggm (even from other styles outside of CLF), come to learn a chinese government official instructs a hung sing guy to include the ggm in the writings of their history, and according those in fut san around the japanese invasion and amongst the rubble of peoples homes, actual ancestor tablets with GGM's name on it were discovered.

instead of saying "wow, are you serious?" do they have any photo's of it? "are they still in tact".....what else do you know.?........but no. instead people challenge it instead of considering it. why instantly challenge it if there is nothing to lose?

EJ comes around and instantly acts like he knows what's going on in fut san, or about their (our) history, but has yet to ever and i mean ever tried to educate us on jeong yim, what he's done, and why he was so famous. .........you guys basically worship EJ, but he lacks one thing. information about the fut san hung sing kwoon.

If the battle didn't happen, most of you would still think jeong yim didn't enter the picture until (as they claim it) chan heung sent jeong yim in 1867 to fut san. but as I've clearly stated, records show jeong yim's school active in 1851 at the time of the tai ping rebellion. there is so much more about jeong yim that most of you don't know, but is sad because none of you want to know.

for example again. Did any of you know jeong yim had a wife named chan kay? did any of you know that he also had two sons who died young? did any of you know that Fut San wasn't the first place Jeong Yim opened a school...he first opened in Kong Moon, and Dong Ling Village. You guys don't know where jeong yim is even buried, or supposedy buried. that's sad, because most of you here are connected to jeong yim in one way or another. but because of a lack of interest you won't even care to learn. most of you will shoot it down because if chan heung or his branch didn't authorize it, it's completely wrong. however, jeong yim was a real person, with real disciples, and a real lineage. when people from the direct lineage try to tell his story, it's truly unfortunate that ALL of you shut off your ears.

now, i'm not trying to teach you guys about the history of jeong yim, at first i wanted to share it with you. but i find that senseless. I will just put it in my books, and if you want to read it then you can check out the book. I just hope that other disciples who have jeong yim in their lineage will one day want to know, and if no one documents the history, then it will be forgotten forever.

what i'm trying to say, is the reason for the history wars is that no one wants to keep an open mind. when people close off their minds to even consider the possiblities, then that's when CHOY LEE FUT will suffer. If there weren't tug of wars, we may be able to repair the damage that has already been suffered. i mean "We" because no one even wanted to weigh the possibilities or to even tear it apart to learn what was truth and was a falsehood.

still, this forum breeds people like kenny fist. no one is safe here. there will be no happiness unless drama is happening. it's people like you who totally disregard the hsk history that will perpetuate the evil. if you were to accept that all 3 branches have legitimate histories, then why battle?

peace

[hskwarrior]

you're right, my bad choice of words.

you banned him but i went to you repeatedly until you did. yes or no?

and according to you.......take your time. no big rush. just delete this and that.

well, i deleted all of them. not just one or two. all of them that i recently participated on.

the axe on my head? no. i don't like flame wars, i will join them if my lineage is in question, i will use whatever i need to get the point across even if it means stepping on some toes. The one thing here, is there are no friends, no one is making money off of each other here. so to be banned would be a blessing in disguise because i wouldn't be so addicted to it. i could just ignore any suckers here.

so, it was my choice to play nice, not yours. you could have banned me, but if i wanted i could go to other forums. truthfully, this place is a wasteland filled with the dirty, low down treacherous types who hide behind their computers to attack ninja style.

see, i hope this place can become a place of learning about the things we love best. but the bloodline of this forum is the insanity. this is my hell. a place of darkness, and i don't know what i did to deserve hell. i might like, i might hate it. right now, i'm starting to hate it.

[CLFNole]

To me this whole forum thing is what you make of it. I really don't take it very seriously. I like to see what people have to say and involve myself in civil conversations. The whole thing (for anyone) is not to take what people say so seriously, I mean who is anybody really in the whole sceme of things? Just a person behind and computer you wouldn't know if you feel over. For all you know someone could be a 13-year old kid from Nebraska pulling your chain.

Look at the forum for what it is and nothing more.

[hskwarrior]

for more than 2 years this place has been nothing but a battle ground.

who's branch is first. who did this. who did that. lau bun this, chan tai san that, lee koon hung this, and mak hin fai that.

you could lose your mother and people could say "great, she deserved to die for having you".........

it is what we make it. so if this place is a den of bickering old *****es, then what does that say about us? huh?

[David Jamieson]

david jamieson,

i know you think you have something to say, but i feel if you are not choy lee fut then you should keep out of it. it's for choy lee fut people to work out. not for people from others systems to worry about

dude, i know you think you know it all because you have 20 websites and post a lot of stuff that causes connflict in your house and then resort to insults and mudslinging when it hits to close to home for you. But opening with the pompous ass approach ain't gonna win you any respect whatesoever and serves only to fan the flames in YOUR direction.

You don't know sh1t about what I study or know now do you. This is a discussion forum isn't it? And so, you throw this stuff out there and then take an elitist attitude? It's no wonder you got a lot of people harping on your dude.

\My opinion is my opinion, I have my right to it and I'm not about to be muscled out of anything by you or anyone likeminded. So live with it and if you keep finding that fire burns, then mayube you should stop touching it.

please fell free to ignore me if you don't like having your thoughts spoken to. YOu do not have the corner on anything dude. YOur just another guy like the rest of us, poutting our two cents in because we feel like it.

It's a discussion forum, not a "HSK STAEMENTS ONLY TO BE TAKEN AS VERATA" Bulletin board dedicated to you, your history and the way you think.

Nice attempt though, but my opinion stands and if I feel like making a comment, I freaking well will. Live with it.