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I'm curious. Is northern Tai Tzu Chang Quan taught in the U.S? Are there reputable instructors of good lineage within the continental 48 states? What forms does Tai Tzu Chang Quan consist of? Are there weapon as well as bare hand forms, or is the system strictly bare-hand? Is there media available in which Tai Tzu Chang Quan is demonstrated?
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Yes, there is legit Tai tzu in the USA, it's just not common.
I know MAster gus Rubio out of Miami has a very good tai Tzu system. One of his seniors is our very own Sifu Abel, so you may want to shoot him a PM, and I have been able to collect and authenticate a good amount of it from various lineages too.
The style has both emptyhand, and weapons forms.
If you google Tai Tzu Chang Chuan, you will find plumb productions, and http://www.cmaod.com/ have VCD'S with the original form, and a few others.
Also, here is a clip of one branch's Tai Tzu Chang Chuan form so you can see what it looks like. This set is common in Taiwan.
http://www.yangsandover.com/videos.shtml?page=Li1
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As taught by my father, the real secret is not in the names of the forms, but the diagrams and the Gua then the correspondences. Names are for sections only. All "Tai Tzu" means is Grand Progenitor (Supreme Ancestor/ The Founder of the Dynasty) NO OTHER MEANING. Genghis Khan was called Tai Tzu Genghis Khan founder of Yuan Dynasty. Over all this is called Jing Yan Pai (Emperical method).
From my family style, with out Gua there is nothing. 18 family styles came from this style and was used first by family then body guards and then army. Chang San Feng was not the founder of Taiji, it was founded by Chu family arts in the Chu Pao Fortress then taught General Chen. Geat amount of information to be told.
Great forum to learn, but be cautious of people.
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Thank you for your responses to my question. I've found the 32 move Tai Tzu form I've seen to be graceful and flowing with many good techniques. It resembles a combination of Hong "Red" fist boxing and Mi Zong without the "pauses" or "poses". All this within a relatively short form. I'm interested in learning more about this system. I'm particularly interested in the variations practiced in Hebei Prov. and Taiwan.
Chu, I followed your post for the most part, but I'm confused about what you mean by Gua. What are Gua? Do you mean diagrams as in illustrations, followed by the Gua, and then correspondence as I'm corresponding with you now? Is Gua specific to Tai Tzu or is it a general CMA concept?
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I belive the comercially avaliable tai tzu tape is only the first road of that form. The rest has not been released by Shaolin as of yet (That I know of anyway). I hear it's written in the manuals, but only the names of the postures are listed, no transitions.
Those that are the most sucessful are also the biggest failures. The difference between them and the rest of the failures is they keep getting up over and over again, until they finally succeed.
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There are different variations of Tai Zu chang Quan even in Taiwan. The Tai Zu Chang Quan that I practice has three forms there is Tai Zu Chang Quan yi lu (first road), Tai Zu Chang Quan er lu ( second road), and Tai Zu chang quan dui da (two man form). My Grandmaster moved from Shandong to Taiwan and taught in Taiwan. The forms that we practice are unique and I haven't seen them anywhere else besides students of my Grandmaster in Taiwan and my father.Originally Posted by lamakwoklee
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A gua is a melon. Like xi gua (watermelon). Or tuo xi gua (watermelon head)
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i am assuming that the gua are the trigrams from the i ching. the same ones from baguazhang. but i could be wrong since i am not familiar with tai tzu.
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Dear Master Yuk Hing,
I have searched online and on this forum for tai chi chuan. I have found various styles and come to the conclusion that tai tzu chang chuan is the style I wish to study. Every other style I have looked at seems not worth while. The photo clips on this website, from shao lin, taiwan, and from other companies I have viewed all look like karate and hard forms. I know that real tai chi/tai tzu surely does not look like this. I have seen you and your father's notes on tai chi and I was very impressed. I wish to learn more from you. Money is no object and I will pay you whatever your price is. I will pay for over night shipping. Can you send me any DVD's or videos and information you would be willing to provide? Any of this information will be greatly appreciated.
I will also contact you through private messages with my address and get your address to send you my check. If postal money order is neccessary one can be provided. I also have a paypal account if that helps. I can overnight you the money to Canada if this will be the easiest method. I will pay for all shipping fees.
Thank you sincerely,
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Dang, I should have done my Taiji better had I known this is a gold mine!See I am such a kind hearted Chinese that I don't want your soul for the contract.
Seriously, caveat emptor is the best policy. If you do have money to burn, why not donate it to some good causes or may be charity? Better yet, private charity case like my personal vactions fund.
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This forum is too hard to stay away from.
Nobody with any brains or financial sense EVER says 'price is no object'.
You won't find Warren Buffett, George Soros, Bill Gates, Donald Trump or anybody ever saying 'price is no object.'
Okay, I've got all the secret Tai Zu forms, only 9 trillion $$$.
You'll wire the money to my Swiss Account, right? No, wait, I want it all as Gold Bullion, fedexed to my house immediately.
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