What style is this...

[Yum Cha]

Hi Guys,
So, who is this guy, Chen Nianen? Seems to be crossing a lot of styles for his video business...

Gazza, you have way to much time to search the internet these days....hahahah.

On a different topic, while you guys are on the thread, can you and SM help me with a "hypothetical" question concerning Australian law and self defense.

You are attacked by a mugger with a knife, and you injure him seriously, say, breaking a wrist, elbow and jaw, where does the self defense end, and the excessive force begin? Lets say, you already have a police record for using excessive force on a couple of other occasions.

Keep in mind, the "hypothetical" incident started with an armed robbery where you have a justifiable fear for your life.

[fiercest tiger]

Since working alot fo door work, clubs, hospitals etc, as long as you can prove that "YOU, used as much force that was nessecary to control the situation" then that is what it is, if you have a record prior to this for man handling heavily that will not help you, although if someone has a knife and you can prove you used the force required it should be ok.

Garry

[Yum Cha]

Thanks Gaz. That seems to be the rule of thumb, Appropriate force to meet the threat, and stopping when the threat is stopped.

How does one know when the threat is stopped?

Anybody else?

[Mufahok]

“Some similar sequences of movement to ours. Allot of differences also. That one seems more "flashy" than ours.”


This seems to be the trend.

Here in Asia, we get hundreds of different TCMAs videos from mainland.

Anything from An Shen Pao (Hsing Yi) to Ziranmen.

Very noticeable is the “flashy” features; additional “flowery” movements to rhythm that most of you would find strange.

Not confined to Lung Ying or HapGar, you find the same happening to many other TCMAs from mainlanders.

[Shaolin Master]

Self Defense: I agree with FT.

Sec 15 of the Criminal Law Consolidation Act

(1) It is a defence to a charge of an offence if -

(a) the defendant genuinely believed the conduct to which the charge relates to be necessary and reasonable for a defensive purpose; and

(b) the conduct was not, in the circumstances as the defendant genuinely believed them to be, reasonably proportionate to the threat that the defendant genuinely believed to exist

However, in addition to ensuring no more force than necessary, there is consideration of all circumstances such as alternative courses of action (such as retreat or flight) open at the time, any disproportion between the harm prevented and the harm caused, history/record, occupation etc....

In terms of when does it stop, well again law is such an open ended affair. Basically it is when the situation is controlled or when there is no further danger from the assailant.

This could go on of course but I presume you get the drift.

[Anisole]

yes ,the guy seems to know more southern styles..
here are 2 more clips

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MILJnCoc8mA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1UFJ1rubpUs

the second video is definitely wing chun, but with jumping which is quite odd.
see reference to pan nam weng chun and netherland weng chun. slight differences between the two but no jumping.

[Lama Pai Sifu]

How can anyone think that the Butterfly knives shown here are Wing Chun!?!?

Butterfly swords from all southern styles, EXCEPT WING CHUN, all resemble each other. No way to tell wether its Choy Lay Fut, Hung, Lama, etc.

It's not WC though.

[Green Cloud]

How can anyone think that the Butterfly knives shown here are Wing Chun!?!?

Butterfly swords from all southern styles, EXCEPT WING CHUN, all resemble each other. No way to tell wether its Choy Lay Fut, Hung, Lama, etc.

It's not WC though.

I concurry is definately not in any way what so ever Wang chung tonight.

[Mufahok]

The knives form in the clip is from Pan Nam’s Wing Chun.

In fact you can get video of the Pan Nam’s form featuring the late Pan Nam’s son, Pan Shu Xiong performing this form.

The connection between Pan Junior and Chen (the Sifu in the clip) is that they are both involved in “Huang Fei Hong” kung fu school in China.

[David Jamieson]

It would be nice to see some of that applied.

Form doesn't make sense most of the time until it is applied with a little realism.

[Laukarbo]

The knives form in the clip is from Pan Nam’s Wing Chun.

In fact you can get video of the Pan Nam’s form featuring the late Pan Nam’s son, Pan Shu Xiong performing this form.

The connection between Pan Junior and Chen (the Sifu in the clip) is that they are both involved in “Huang Fei Hong” kung fu school in China.

I actually own both VCDs..and the forms are almost identical...only difference is that Chens version looks way more flashy...
In fact the version from Pan Shu Xiong looks like WIng Chun while the other looks more like a traditional Kung Fu style such as Hung Gar,Coy Li Fut etc.

[Mufahok]

Laukarbo,

If you look at all of Chen's deliveries; Lung Ying, Hap Gar and Hungga, they all come across as "flashy". I got his entire collection.

Chen’s style is typical Cantonese Wu Dip Doe (minus the "flashy" bits).

Most Wing Chun’s Wu Dip Doe, imho, looks like a cross between Cantonese and Fukien except maybe with lesser “kneeling stance” or lower gate techniques.

If you are familiar with Yong Chun White Crane Butterfly Knives, you’ll know what I mean.