it depends on how big, heavy and strong he is. grapplings all about strength, the stronger guy's got the odds going his way. if your the weaker man, the water principle is probably your best chance of countering.
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it depends on how big, heavy and strong he is. grapplings all about strength, the stronger guy's got the odds going his way. if your the weaker man, the water principle is probably your best chance of countering.
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Having done some grappling, I wouldn't say it's all about strength (anymore than any other aspect of fighting is all about strength), though certainly if one fighter is less conditioned than the other he/she stands a significantly lower chance of success... That's something too many MAists neglect, thinking their "superior technique" will level the playing field with someone who is better conditioned. It's BS and real fighters know that.Originally Posted by Malsah-FSkarate
That having been said, all things being equal, the fighter who's repertoire includes more grappling training will certainly be better enabled to deal with another grappler's attack.
And what do you refer to by "the water principle?"
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No it's not.
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Nobody with even a basic understanding of grappling would've taught you that...
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Oh I dunno 7*. I would have told him it's all about strength!
Royce Gracie clearly was bigger and stronger than Kimo and Dan Severn, as well as Ken Shamrock.
My "rude awakening" at the hands of a 150 lbs purple belt when I was a 190 lbs white belt with 4+ years of wrestling was all about streng...
oh...
my bad.
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Forms, lot's of 'em. Especially the Wushu ones with flying kicks. Just keep doing them until he can't stand anymore and chokes himself out.
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Have your friend kick him in the head while he's on top of you. That's worked for me.
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Ah lunghushan! You encountered the "stupid grappler!"
Great news - stupid people exist in all styles...
Further, grappling does not equal "groundfighting." There are whole grappling arts built around throwing...
The below is a repost:
People seem to be forgetting the most important part of groundfighting training here...
I have 5 years of wrestling behind me and 6 or so of BJJ.
Arguments about "what if," aside, the question is not "who can *I* hold down," but "who can hold ME down?"
The answer is "some percentage of the well trained grappling community, and not a big percentage of the population at large.
In a single or multiple opponent situation there is a strong possibility that I might fall. That I might be blindsided, or that I might trip over a chair or something. It happens to the best of us all.
I know how to fall, and I know how to GET UP, even when I've got a 300 lbs monster on top of me. And I know this because I've done it.
As Fatherdog pointed out, if you are stuck underneath somebody like that, you are in trouble. There's no two ways about it.
The idea about groundfighting is not that the ground is necessarily the best thing to do...it is that with such training, you get to have a greater say in where the fight goes and remains.
Without it, somebody else might make that choice for you.
Your opponent lunghushan, just made a bad decision.
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Yes, it was going pretty well for him but he forgot there were 2 people.
Supposedly the reason CMA never really did much with ground fighting was they assumed you'd be dealing with multiple attackers. Plus, the ground is dirty and your clothes get dirty.
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