Mi Zong

[stimulant]

There are many Mizong Forms

for classes in UK look at

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Zhenwe...6707739?v=info

http://wn.com/adlynchy

http://mizongkungfu.webs.com/

They train in Essex and Central London.

[B-Rad]

Sorry, that's a bit far from Ohio and doesn't really answer my question ;-)

[ginosifu]

How many Shaolin mizong forms are there? So far I've just seen the two they have our on vcd.

B-Rad, feel like coming up to Cleveland? There is a Mi tsung Lohan teacher in our china town. His name is Dr. Tam he teaches out of the Asia Plaza here in Cleveland.

ginosifu

[B-Rad]

B-Rad, feel like coming up to Cleveland? There is a Mi tsung Lohan teacher in our china town. His name is Dr. Tam he teaches out of the Asia Plaza here in Cleveland.

ginosifu

Thanks for the info, and I'd like to study more, but I'm pretty much stuck in Columbus right now (no car, among other things tying me down). I'll keep practicing the one mizong quan form I know though while working on my basics and strength training :-) An Tian Rong, who taught me the mizong quan form I know is still here in Columbus somewhere so I'm still hoping to get in touch with him and learn some more. He's getting up there in years and I'm not exactly sure when he's going to decide to retire (if he does). I'll keep Dr. Tam in mind :-)

[Violent Designs]

So what is unique about Mizong other than what I read? Which sounds like Chang Quan but more confusing and disorienting.

[RenDaHai]

On an interesting side note;

When a form has lost its lineage (as in no one knows where it came from) it is often refferred to as Mizong quan (lost track). So many different styles will have forms called Mizong Quan and there are even complete styles all of which are unrelated to the YanQing Quan, the actual Mizong Quan.

Also Mizong later became a term for describing styles which are deceptive. So particularly deceptive forms in a style could also be called Mizong Quan without the forms being related to the style YanQIng Quan.

Certainly the Shaolin XinYi Mizong quan forms are probably named for these reasons as opposed to being related to Mizong Quan.

In fact there are probably many more 'Mizong Quan' forms in China that are unrelated to actual Mizongquan than those that are.

[RenDaHai]

Another question;

Alot of the Mizong Quan CLasses I hear about in the West seem to have come through the 'Chin Woo' (Jing Wu) Lineage at some point.

Anyone train Mizong Quan from an entirely different route?

[B-Rad]

Yes, my teacher's mizong is not from jingwu, though they share an ancestor at some point. I think the jingwu branch is mizong luohan, am I right? He drew me a little chart before, but I can't read it. At the time I knew 0 Chinese, and his English was pretty minimal.

I think some of the wutan guys (Liu Yun Qian students) do a non-jingwu version of mizong quan too.

The form I know I think is a mizong version of the popular mantis form "xiao hu yan quan". I'm going to try and record a walk through of it. I can't really put any strength or speed into it (or even do decent stances, lol). Had lots of bad health problems and I'm only recently starting to do any training again. Let myself get fat and out of shape :-(

Anyway, the mizong/yanqing quan tends to be a longfist system with plenty of internal training too (there are soft taiji type forms too). There's a pretty wide variety of forms that differ between systems, but I think someone listed some of the more common/well known core forms.

A few quick videos that show some of the variety:

Here's one of the "soft" forms:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTWkGZLRpyI

Liu Yun Qiao's mizong quan:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8j1ya...eature=related

Some beginner form:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2_SkTHyfeo

[B-Rad]

On an interesting side note;


Certainly the Shaolin XinYi Mizong quan forms are probably named for these reasons as opposed to being related to Mizong Quan.

Yeah, that seems likely, though I do see some similarity between the two. Could be the long distant Shaolin connection many northern longfist type forms share though.

[Northwind]

Just out of curiosity - anyone know the "why" of the naming - mizong-to-yanqing?