Involved in arrest this morning.

[Royal Dragon]

Knee On throat ehy.....Didn't notice he was still standing there? Good God man, ur dam lucky you weren't knifed, but good, for that foolish move.

[KC Elbows]

Nice job.

On the flip side, involving the police also involves your name in paperwork, which is why gangs have an easy time killing witnesses, but those were just crackheads.

I've had crackheads try to steal gear from sites back when I worked in bad areas. I also had a framer's hammer and a prybar on my belt, possibly off of it when I'd confront them. Crackheads aren't gonna call the police on you for brandishing a weapon, and you really should have one in those circumstances, but, given that you didn't have one, and that there's no telling what would have happened to her, good job.

EDIT: and yeah, what The Xia said, it's really dangerous all things considered.

[Royal Dragon]

Allways carry peperspray.......it's best, and one of the most tourturous weapons avaliable, AND the very fact that you have to use it makes your attacker look more guilty in the eyes of the law.

[The Willow Sword]

You did the right thing. Don't sweat the rest of these guys telling you that you could have done something less aggressive blah blah blah

If you had not been there and not acted like you did that woman would have been robbed beaten and worse yet, killed for what little money she probably had in her purse. I have no sympathy for low life turds who were, as they claimed, "askin the lady for some change." that is total BS anyway. The cop had to reprimand you because technically you assaulted that guy ,HOWEVER, had the crackhead decided to take you to court (yeah right) it would have gone in YOUR favor and it would have been ruled justified use of force in defense of that lady(or however the lawyers want to word it).

You just dont THINK about the "LAW" in situations like that, or in any confrontation where your life or someone elses life is in peril. The Law only comes in to play after everything is said and done and that is how it should be. You hesitate and you get hurt real bad or worse yet, YOU get Killed.

SO kudos to you for helping that woman ST.

TWS

[neilhytholt]

You obviously must have never lived in any major city to think that ST did the correct thing.

Assaulting a homeless person is NOT the correct thing. If they're giving some woman a hard time (and they were not assaulting her, just messing with her verbally and grabbing at her purse), then you should go over and YELL at them, tell them to back off.

But what ST did was go up to the guy and start beating on him.

Basically what ST did was wrong in the eyes of the law and could land him in jail. In addition, if this occurrence really did happen, he blabbed about it on a public forum, which could be used in evidence in court of his wrong doing.

Not saying I don't morally support what he did. IMHO those guys should have been beaten up. But legally you cannot use that kind of force if they're just hassling somebody. That's called being a vigilante and is frowned on in the eyes of the law.

[KC Elbows]

You obviously must have never lived in any major city to think that ST did the correct thing.

Assaulting a homeless person is NOT the correct thing. If they're giving some woman a hard time (and they were not assaulting her, just messing with her verbally and grabbing at her purse), then you should go over and YELL at them, tell them to back off.

But what ST did was go up to the guy and start beating on him.

Basically what ST did was wrong in the eyes of the law and could land him in jail. In addition, if this occurrence really did happen, he blabbed about it on a public forum, which could be used in evidence in court of his wrong doing.

Not saying I don't morally support what he did. IMHO those guys should have been beaten up. But legally you cannot use that kind of force if they're just hassling somebody. That's called being a vigilante and is frowned on in the eyes of the law.

Grabbing her purse is against the law. They began a robbery, that's what they were ARRESTED for. At that point, it is not vigilanteism at all, legally or otherwise. Unwise? Yes. But not illegal, the guy had already begun a robbery.

Of course, knowing that would require you to actually read the first post.

[neilhytholt]

Grabbing her purse is against the law. They began a robbery, that's what they were ARRESTED for. At that point, it is not vigilanteism at all, legally or otherwise. Unwise? Yes. But not illegal, the guy had already begun a robbery.

Of course, knowing that would require you to actually read the first post.

Beating up crooks if you're not a cop can get you sued or put in jail. Believe me, and I've had plenty of experience with law enforcement, ST is extremely lucky not to be in jail right now.

[Royal Dragon]

You hesitate and you get hurt real bad or worse yet, YOU get Killed.

SO kudos to you for helping that woman ST

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You play "Hero", and do some stupid MMA thing like "Knee on chest" or in this case throat, and youn get knifed in the kidneys by psycotic wackjobs who know they probably won't get caught anyway.

The "Best" thing would have been for her to either give them the $$ or hose them down with pepper spray and escape.

if these "Crack heads" had been the leaast bit agressive, he could have gotten both himself, and her killed by escalateng the situation.

[neilhytholt]

You hesitate and you get hurt real bad or worse yet, YOU get Killed.

SO kudos to you for helping that woman ST

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You play "Hero", and do some stupid MMA thing like "Knee on chest" or in this case throat, and youn get knifed in the kidneys by psycotic wackjobs who know they probably won't get caught anyway.

The "Best" thing would have been for her to either give them the $$ or hose them down with pepper spray and escape.

if these "Crack heads" had been the leaast bit agressive, he could have gotten both himself, and her killed by escalateng the situation.

Yeah, I guess in major metros you just assume that you get involved in something like this physically or even verbally you're likely going to get killed.

[The Willow Sword]

you know its USELESS to just sit around like a bunch of football commentators and demonize and rap about "what could have happened"

ST told the story, THAT WAS The Outcome. The What IF's are MOOT and IRRELAVENT now. The outcome happened as it should have in this case. Case closed.

[Hau Tien]

You obviously must have never lived in any major city to think that ST did the correct thing.

Assaulting a homeless person is NOT the correct thing. If they're giving some woman a hard time (and they were not assaulting her, just messing with her verbally and grabbing at her purse), then you should go over and YELL at them, tell them to back off.

But what ST did was go up to the guy and start beating on him.

Basically what ST did was wrong in the eyes of the law and could land him in jail. In addition, if this occurrence really did happen, he blabbed about it on a public forum, which could be used in evidence in court of his wrong doing.

Not saying I don't morally support what he did. IMHO those guys should have been beaten up. But legally you cannot use that kind of force if they're just hassling somebody. That's called being a vigilante and is frowned on in the eyes of the law.

Oh, come off it. My goodness. Some slimey crackheads were hassling a woman for her purse and one of them got clocked for it. As SOON as they touched the woman, physical means were used, and that's obviously reasonable. No one was seriously hurt (including said crackheads). Someone COULD have been hurt, yes... but that's a danger you face every time you deal with these people.

*I* live in a major city with several sections exactly like what ST described. My girlfriend's office is located in one such section. I'd do EXACTLY what he did (except maybe pay more attention to the buddy ) in that sort of situation.

To tell people that they shouldn't intervene when they see this **** happening only allows it to happen more. That's what those crackheads rely on... no one will say or do anything for fear of having to get involved. That's garbage... people need to get some spine back.

Kudos, ST.

[ShaolinTiger00]

I just want to clarify a few things.

1. they were not asking her for change. before I got there they backed her into the corner of the lot beside her car and threatened to kill her and demanded her purse.

2. When I say "reached for her purse" the guy actually had his hand on her purse strap when I grabbed him.

While I did lose sight of guy #2 for a few seconds after I got the guy under control I looked up and saw him and kept my eyes on him the rest of the time. He might have been out of my sight for 10 seconds or so (which i understand would have been time enough to fire a gun) but there was no way he was walking around to approach me in the back which was the open land of the parking lot.

I do understand that what I did could have been much worse. I could have ran over there and got shot. boom dead. but the truth is that I saw a woman and she needed help and I reacted. I didn't think and right or wrong what I did was what I felt was the right thing to do. I didn't continue to hit him after I got him to the ground because he wasn't resisting enough to harm anyone.

[KC Elbows]

TWS,

The cop reprimanded him because people DIE doing that stuff. Don't fool yourself. It's very dangerous, and you're not gonna find many people suggesting that unarmed is the smart way to go into that kind of situation. Since the assumption is that stoo posted this to spark debate, I don't see the point in rolling your eyes at exactly that.

RD is probably right about the mace. It's harder to explain a pry bar to the head than a macing.

[The Willow Sword]

the "LAW" is not designed to "protect" the individual. the "Law" is designed to protect the written word of the law. sounds funny doesnt it? its true.

ST wasnt being a vigilante, he was being a good samaratin and a protector. You rationalize what he did as vigilante behavior. i rationalize it differently.

Its not so much that you can just tell someone that they are doing wrong in situations like that and they listen and realize the error of their ways. sometimes you have to hit them over the head with a sledge hammer, then you will notice that you have their strict attention.
The "LAWS" give the criminals and low lifes of this world more rights than the victims, that is why the criminal justice system is the most screwed up faction of law that has ever been concieved. we hear about the stories time and time again, yet we can sit back in our apathy and say " well what HE did was against the law and he could have been put in jail" well i say FUK THAT!! he saved that woman from being robbed and beaten, PERIOD.

TWS

[Shaolinlueb]

crakheads deserved to get hit