ATTN: Wing Chuners & Taiji-ers

[JohnnyMnemonic]

I do not have time for silly little games.

That's a shame. Life is to be enjoyed. You must feel your life is on a stopwatch and every minute must be efficiently used. After a disaster happens in your life, you will realize that the only thing worth having in this life is fun. Memories of fun will trump memories of any other kind when you are sitting in your rocker.

You probably have been taught or perhaps you feel yourself that kung fu is a serious thing to be drilled at like being in the army. Kung Fu can be that way if that is what you want. You can be just as skilled, perhaps much more skilled, if you relax, take it easy, and enjoy your training.

I posted a question and your reply was coy and assnine.

Coy? Absolutely. I told you I like to have fun. Asinine? "marked by inexcusable failure to exercise intelligence or sound judgment"

Ouch! That is a harsh statement to make to a person offering to answer your question. Why the hate? You don't really want an answer? You want to search for it yourself? You are resentful that I already know the answer?

If you have something to add, then feel free (again if you are confused about my question see post #1).

Why would I help someone who just publicly called me asinine? Seriously? Where I live? If you want someone to help you out, you say nice things to them. Not insult them in front of the crowd.

If you are going to bait people and essentially say "I know the answer, but I am not going to tell." then bugger off.

Jake

Ok. I will "bugger off". Good luck searching out the answer on your own. It took me years and a little help from the good spirits to figure it out. Since you probably don't even believe in good spirits, I predict your search will be fruitless.

You really ought to lighten up.

[YiLiQuan1]

Jake -

Don't sweat ol' JonnyMnemonic here... He's on several other threads trying to convince me and others that hard training is bad, martial arts aren't for fighting (they're for not-fighting), and that his psychic ability to see zombies and energy vampires is real.

He doesn't seem to know much beyond what he's read in books or seen in movies. Detailed discussions of technical specifics don't seem his cup of tea...

[Three Harmonies]

I dont sweat nothing on these boards. But thanks.
Jake

[lunghushan]

Why can't we all just get along?

[cjurakpt]

besides, he gets on Jake's case after doing the ol' "I know something you don't" dance, and then doubles back with the "oh well, I was GONNA tell you, but I didn't like how you answered me, so nyahhh..." he's suffering from delusions of grandeur that he's onto something "super secret" in regards to body posture or some such, but if he really "had it", he'd be maknng constructive posts, sharing his experience openly to other folks - he should go look at the "Tension" thread over on the tai chi board to get an idea of what it's like when people who have real understanding

anyway. I should re-clarify re: the PPT: it's a matter of degree - if you really tuck and fix, you lock out; if you do more of what I call a "potential" PPT, while you move towards that part of the pelvic range, you aren't over-comitted to it, which is important, because you really want to be fluid, which means that sometimes ou will PPT and other times be more towards the anterior tilt - it just depends; but I think one of the reasons a lot of TCC gets stuck on the tuck is because of the rooting effect it has - it certainly increases your root, that's true; hoever, what you loose is the oppsite skill, which is the "hin gung" or lightness skill - this is the jumping / spinning aspect of TCC that is much less frequently taught and practiced - it's why you have jumping / spinning (alone and with kicks) in the older versions of the form - hin gung is very important in TCC - for covering ground quickly (remember all those Yang Lu Chan stories of him covering like 5 football fields in the blink of an eye?), for expressing energy, etc. - but most practicioners seem to over emphasize rooting, because it's the easier of the two skills to work; but if all you do is root, you start to adversely effect the system in general, because you are contantly "dropping down", which in excess is not a great idea, because when you do this you detonify pelvic floor by putting it on passive slack, and over time this can degrade it's ability to act as a dynamic base for the pelvis, and discoordinates the movement of pelvic floor with the respiratory diaphragm; - the hin gung brightens things up, so to speak, "pulling" up on the pelvic floor, increasing lymphatic flow out of the pelvic basin, and expresses the opposite energy - and you cannot do that with a PPT - that's the APT, which engenders "going up", because, as one person correctly pointed out, if you try that while rooting, you loose the root - but that is exactly what you want to do when you do hin gung...

[JohnnyMnemonic]

besides, he gets on Jake's case after doing the ol' "I know something you don't" dance, and then doubles back with the "oh well, I was GONNA tell you, but I didn't like how you answered me, so nyahhh..." he's suffering from delusions of grandeur that he's onto something "super secret" in regards to body posture or some such, but if he really "had it", he'd be maknng constructive posts, sharing his experience openly to other folks - he should go look at the "Tension" thread over on the tai chi board to get an idea of what it's like when people who have real understanding

U guys are going to force me to tell you something interesting aren't you? If I don't prove what I say, you will just keep repeating these falsehoods until they are accepted.

The same way Bush and Blair kept repeating "There are WMD in Iraq" until people believed it. Even though it was a total lie.

[YiLiQuan1]

U guys are going to force me to tell you something interesting aren't you? If I don't prove what I say, you will just keep repeating these falsehoods until they are accepted.

If you claim to be able to fly, be prepared for many people to require proof.

You claim to have some hidden knowledge, gleaned no doubt from endless viewings of Hong Kong cinema offerings. Those who have engaged you on this are simply saying "pony up."

[cjurakpt]

U guys are going to force me to tell you something interesting aren't you? If I don't prove what I say, you will just keep repeating these falsehoods until they are accepted.

The same way Bush and Blair kept repeating "There are WMD in Iraq" until people believed it. Even though it was a total lie.

personally, I don't care if you say anything at all: if you have the "TRUTH", then hey man, bully for you; I know what I know, whther your "truth" is different from mine neither validates or invalidates either; besides, you can't prove a thing about yourself here anyway, because whatever you say no one can actually verify it; same goes for me and everyone else; what you seem to be totally clueless about is that the point of this forum is to DISCUSS and SHARE personal experiences, not to dangle carrots infront of people like you know something they don't; that's just being a jerk - so do us all a favor - DON'T reveal anything, don't say anything, just go away and feel superior in your special knowledge

oooo - I haven't fed a troll in so long! I was doing so well - but I slipped up; but I don't care, it feels GOOOD!!!

[lunghushan]

They need more MMA fight nights so we can settle arguments like gentlemen.

[JohnnyMnemonic]

what you seem to be totally clueless about is that the point of this forum is to DISCUSS and SHARE personal experiences, not to dangle carrots infront of people like you know something they don't; that's just being a jerk -

That is your opinion. You are a robotic kind of person or a demanding kind of person that wants people to behave as machines. You want to put in a quarter and get what you want. People are not machines.

Your way of thinking and dealing with people is unhealthy. You make yourself and the people who you place your demands on unhealthy. My way is healthy. You don't have to beleive me. Try it yourself. Think of something funny and laugh. Think of some young relative of yours and smile. Doesn't your whole body feel good when you do that?

My way of "dangling" carrots was how teachers used to teach in class waaaay back in the good old days. It was called challenging the intellect of the student. Nowadays though I guess students are raised as thugs who bully the teacher into a good grade or the knowledge they desire.

Think about it. Stop fighting and being close minded and think about it. If you are rational, there is no way you can deny what I say about demanding being unhealthy and laughter and fun being healthy.

[cjurakpt]

That is your opinion. You are a robotic kind of person or a demanding kind of person that wants people to behave as machines. You want to put in a quarter and get what you want. People are not machines.

Your way of thinking and dealing with people is unhealthy. You make yourself and the people who you place your demands on unhealthy. My way is healthy. You don't have to beleive me. Try it yourself. Think of something funny and laugh. Think of some young relative of yours and smile. Doesn't your whole body feel good when you do that?

My way of "dangling" carrots was how teachers used to teach in class waaaay back in the good old days. It was called challenging the intellect of the student. Nowadays though I guess students are raised as thugs who bully the teacher into a good grade or the knowledge they desire.

Think about it. Stop fighting and being close minded and think about it. If you are rational, there is no way you can deny what I say about demanding being unhealthy and laughter and fun being healthy.

yes, thinking about it, must stop fighting, can't deny what he said...

oh, BTW - BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH.

actually dude, telling me to laugh - what do you think I've been doing since reading your first post - oh wait! that was your plan, wasn't it? to get me to drop my austere and oppressive ways, and lighten up, wasn't it? oh thankyothankyouthankyouthankyou;

on a "serious" note, it's funny: I basically tell the guy in the most non-judegemental way (it's true, you can't deny it) that if he's got his version of the truth, that's cool ["if you have the "TRUTH", then hey man, bully for you; I know what I know, whther your "truth" is different from mine neither validates or invalidates either"] - in fact, I didn't critique what he claims to know at all - I just was pointing out that it's kinda ba form to dangle the way he does - but then, he comes back with his "well, i'm just teaching like they did in the old days" - well, actually, in the old days, nobody taught unless they were asked (llike the Buddha - you had to wait until about 3 AM and ask him 3 times before he even opened his mother); so, it's rather presumptious to assume that anyone asked to be taught by you in the first place; we are not your students, chum (although, of course, our knowledge is DOUBTLESSLY much inferior to yours, so we really all ought to be); furthermore, he DEFINITIVELY KNOWS that my "way" is unhealthy and his is...talk about deluded;

bro, I think you are the one who needs to lighten up and laugh - don't take yourself so seriously; again, let me be clear - whatever you "got", that's awesome - if it makes your life more liveable, happier, etc., congrats, really; and if you feel like sharing, that's cool; if you don't, no loss to anyone, honestly; just to show ya my heart's in the right place, I;m gonna let you have the last word...

[JohnnyMnemonic]

yes, thinking about it, must stop fighting, can't deny what he said...

oh, BTW - BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH.

actually dude, telling me to laugh - what do you think I've been doing since reading your first post - oh wait! that was your plan, wasn't it? to get me to drop my austere and oppressive ways, and lighten up, wasn't it? oh thankyothankyouthankyouthankyou;

on a "serious" note, it's funny: I basically tell the guy in the most non-judegemental way (it's true, you can't deny it) that if he's got his version of the truth, that's cool ["if you have the "TRUTH", then hey man, bully for you; I know what I know, whther your "truth" is different from mine neither validates or invalidates either"] - in fact, I didn't critique what he claims to know at all - I just was pointing out that it's kinda ba form to dangle the way he does - but then, he comes back with his "well, i'm just teaching like they did in the old days" - well, actually, in the old days, nobody taught unless they were asked (llike the Buddha - you had to wait until about 3 AM and ask him 3 times before he even opened his mother); so, it's rather presumptious to assume that anyone asked to be taught by you in the first place; we are not your students, chum (although, of course, our knowledge is DOUBTLESSLY much inferior to yours, so we really all ought to be); furthermore, he DEFINITIVELY KNOWS that my "way" is unhealthy and his is...talk about deluded;

bro, I think you are the one who needs to lighten up and laugh - don't take yourself so seriously; again, let me be clear - whatever you "got", that's awesome - if it makes your life more liveable, happier, etc., congrats, really; and if you feel like sharing, that's cool; if you don't, no loss to anyone, honestly; just to show ya my heart's in the right place, I;m gonna let you have the last word...

The style of writing exhibited by you and YiLiQuan1 is remarkably similar.

[YiLiQuan1]

The style of writing exhibited by you and YiLiQuan1 is remarkably similar.

What's your point? That neither of us are going to defer to your supposed superiority without proof thereof? That neither of us are willing to acquiesce to "the Truth" you claim to possess without convincing?

You talk a lot, but say very little...

[imperialtaichi]

They need more MMA fight nights so we can settle arguments like gentlemen.

Man, I'm having such a laugh. Sorry Jake, your post was such a good thread starter, it is a shame it turned into this...

Anyway, on a serious note, what Lunghushan suggested is not a bad idea. Theory is one thing, being able to apply it is another. It is definitely beneficial if we could get together and test run and explore different theories and methods.

Cheers,
John

[lunghushan]

These three threads seem to have been taken over by this argument. There actually are MMA fight nights around, but they don't have good blood testing like they do for boxing or other professional fights so it's probably a little bit risky to get involved with those.