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    Quote Originally Posted by Shaolin Wookie View Post
    Jaysus.....


    Shaolin and the State. It's a ****ed shame. What's funny is that the native-Chinese practitioners of the art that I've studied under in the US always have the most close-minded attitudes towards the spread of the art, and protect it like it is a scarce resource--intellectual property, copyright--the whole 9 yards. That's why I've always preferred learning MA from American-born martial artists. The dissemination of the art at large in Capitalist America often gives Shaolin a bad rep, but it gives the Shaolin arts the chance to grow unimpeded in a free cultural market that isn't still hung up on medieval prejudices.

    I've always seen Shaolin (and maybe Buddhism, as well) as a kind of parasitic religious entity, being such that it often takes grant from governments, emperors, etc. That money doesn't come from honest enterprise, if you take my meaning--it comes from taxation, appropriation, and plunder. And Shaolin has rarely had the backbone to stand up and fend for itself, it seems. Every grant, every edict, every protectionist scheme, and every refurbishing of Shaolin is the direct result of a regime that preys upon the Chinese populace.

    Whadya say? Anarcho-Shaolin-Capitalism?
    Interesting take on the article. However, Shaolin Si is now making it's money from honest enterprise, that is where the controversey is arising from. They are not getting financial support solely from the government. Personally, I think the abbott is heading in the right direction. He is securing Shaolin Temple's future and bringing Shaolin to the world. Many of us in the U.S. owe him a great deal of gratitude for sending the monks to the U.S. to spread true Shaolin. So that other schools that call themeselves Shaolin can be seen for what they are, parasites using the name of Shaolin for their own gain. Through out history most religious entities are parasitic, including Christianity.

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    Even more on the newsfeed

    Shaolin viral makes it to India.

    The Zen business of marketing kung fu
    Published: Wednesday, Jan 12, 2011, 2:02 IST

    The famed Shaolin temple in China, where Zen Buddhism had originated, has decided to open 40 centres to meet the rising demand for kung fu and, by a stretch, for Zen Buddhism. The man who is spearheading the expansion programme is the abbot of the temple. Interestingly, in the ostensibly atheistic communist China, there is outrage that Zen Buddhism is being commercialised. The abbot has rebutted the criticism saying that there was no profit motive, and it was just a design to meet the kung fu desires of people spread across the world.

    There is plenty of irony embedded in all this, but this could be turned into a delightful Zen koan, the pithy riddle that carries contradiction as the kernel of its truth. Business is good as long as it is not meant to generate profits, which is indeed crass. At a more mundane level, all that it means is that even as China is under the deluge of change, the esoteric Buddhist temple is also being swept by it. And it also meets with the essential Buddhist tenet that change is the only permanent thing. The Shaolin cult’s market success is then no anomaly.
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    The mission

    I visited Mission San Jose last Sunday. Any Californian knows the impact of the missions on our state. I wonder if the venture was considered commercial back then, because it clearly was.

    Spiritual ambition
    * Source: Global Times
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    Two monks perform Chinese kungfu at the Shaolin Temple in Dengfeng, Henan Province, for visitors. The Shaolin Temple will promote Buddhism more aggressively this year. Photo: CFP

    By Liu Chang

    Monks and spiritual leaders at the legendary Shaolin Temple in Henan Province are working hard this year to promote Buddhism not only in China but across the world.

    Li Hongwei, a provincial spokesman, said Friday that Henan's major goal this year is to raise the number of Shaolin temples, Taiji schools and Confucius schools overseas in order to enhance the international influence of Chinese culture, Henan-based Dongfang Jinbao Newspaper reported.

    While it's not the first time the temple has made efforts to go global, the temple has taken aggressive steps to do so in recent years.

    Qian Daliang, manager of the Shaolin Intangible Assets Management Center, told the Global Times that they are making appropriate plans, but refused to share details.

    The comments from Henan's government came after Shi Yongxin, the abbot of Shaolin Temple, told participants at a January 8 cultural forum in Beijing that monks around the world need a temple to practice their specific lifestyles and religious beliefs, and suggested that the government could include Chinese religions into its overseas strategy.

    The temple's plans have not been free of controversy. Some critics say the abbot is commercializing the temple while others say it's the right way to promote Chinese culture.

    There are 40 Shaolin cultural centers around the world and there's a Shaolin Association in every continent, according to Shi.

    The temple has dispatched Buddhist masters and kungfu masters to teach students overseas. They focus on Buddhist practices and meditation, Shaolin kungfu, and the Chinese language.

    "We try to assimilate into the local communities, and blend our lifestyle with the local lifestyle," said Shi.

    "Each center will have hundreds to thousands of students each year. The number multiplies as time goes by," Shi said. "That is how we promote Shaolin culture."

    Global reputation

    The temple, which has history of 1,500 years, sits at the foot of the Songshan Mountain in Dengfeng. Its popularity skyrocketed after the 1982 film Shaolin Temple with Jet Li was released around the world.

    In addition to overseas cultural centers, monks routinely stage performances around the world.

    Shi said there were more than 300 Shaolin monks who performed abroad in 2008 and 2009. Last year, more than 400 performed overseas. Over the last three years, Shaolin's monks performed in 56 cities in 29 countries and regions.

    "We do not participate in commercial activities. We perform in cultural events," said Shi. "We have been to the Sydney Opera House, the Lincoln Center, the Grand Theatre in Frankfurt, and the Arts Center in Portugal."

    Foreign audiences enjoy the Chinese martial arts and Shi said that the temple has won prizes for its performances.

    Recently, monks performed during a "China Week" event organized by the Ministry of Culture in Israel. The Shaolin kungfu was the most popular event for Israelis, the Xinhua News Agency reported earlier.

    Shi said more than 100,000 foreigners visit the temple each year and many stay to learn Chinese kungfu.

    Spiritual business

    The new cultural centers and overseas activities have been with the allegations the temple is too commercialized.

    Shi responded by saying all profits are used to help charities, promote Chinese Buddhism, and protect the heritage of traditional culture.

    "We do these things to promote Buddhism. Both the process and the purpose matter, so we focus on promoting Buddhism in a way that the majority is willing to accept and participate in," Shi wrote in his book, Shaolin in my eyes.

    Cui Wei, a researcher at the Buddhism Academy of China, told the Global Times that the Shaolin Temple is both the promoter of Chinese kungfu and Chinese Buddhism.

    "The overseas growth of Chinese Buddhism is still very limited. We have no official missionary monks and no officially funded temples, but the cultural centers launched by Shaolin Temple are a good way to promote Chinese Buddhism," Cui said.

    However, Cui said most foreigners identify Shaolin with kungfu, instead of its Buddhist traditions. "I believe that is because Shaolin kungfu is more visual compared to Buddhism, and is easier to learn and understand," said Cui. "But we should not ignore the Buddhist nature of Shaolin Temple."
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    Sad to see so many people being hoodwinked by communist snake oil.
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    communist dont hoodwink people. chinese people hoodwink themselves. nobody wants to learn real kung fu so shaolin isnt teaching it.
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    communist snake oil

    Quote Originally Posted by Sifu Bok Se Teung View Post
    Sad to see so many people being hoodwinked by communist snake oil.
    Yes, however a few brave souls do speak out. The Walmarts of the world and the PRC power brokers rather not hear people like Wei Wei. A real warrior.
    r.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/artanddesi...ate?intcmp=239

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/artanddesi...l/06/art.china

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/04/wo....html?ref=asia

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/04/wo....html?ref=asia

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/31/wo....html?ref=asia
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    I haven't been to Shaolin in quite a spell

    What new buildings?
    Shaolin abbot expresses concern over new buildings near temple
    English.news.cn 2011-04-30 12:28:42

    ZHENGZHOU, April 30 (Xinhua) -- Abbot of world cultural heritage Shaolin Temple said Saturday that his temple has nothing to do with the buildings being constructed outside the temple and emphasized that any new constructions around the temple should be harmonious with Shaolin culture and architectural style.

    "The area around Shaolin Temple is also part of the protected heritage site. We don't want to see new buildings ruin the overall environment of Shaolin Temple," said Abbot Shi Yongxin.

    Illegal buildings around Shaolin Temple have attracted public attention after local media reported that some temporary facilities were set up outside the temple and a construction site was established just 200 meters from the temple.

    Shi said Shaolin Temple did not construct those buildings. "If new buildings around Shaolin Temple were really needed, they must be approved by the authorities and built according to law so as to ensure that they are harmonious with Shaolin culture and Shaolin architectural style."

    The building being built near Shaolin Temple was a canteen of the Shaolin Temple Scenic Spot Administration Bureau. The construction had been suspended pending government approval, said a spokesman for the bureau.

    Other illegal facilities would be torn down, he added.

    "No unapproved buildings shall be allowed in the vicinity of Shaolin Temple," said Guo Lei, head of the heritage preservation bureau of Zhengzhou City in central China's Henan Province, which administers the Shaolin Temple scenic spot.

    Shaolin Temple, famous for Buddhist teaching and Chinese martial arts, was enlisted as world cultural heritage by UNESCO in 2010.
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    Well I guess I will let you know, I am going back in June.

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    From Al Jazeera

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    Cashing in on Kung Fu
    China's Shaolin Temple opens training centres abroad as martial art form finds many takers.
    Last Modified: 05 Jul 2011 07:05

    For centuries, Kung Fu fighters have honed their skills at China's Shaolin Temple, but tourism and commercial training camps now dominate the country's martial arts landscape.

    Many people are now attracted to the original Kung Fu temple for both reasons.

    "People started coming in droves in the 1980s, and now about two million people visit us every year," Shaolin Temple's Shi Yongxin told Al Jazeera.

    The temple has trained fighters for centuries, but it has more recently opened 40 training branches overseas, and plans to create a new Kung Fu franchise model.

    Al Jazeera's Melissa Chan reports from China.
    Tagou at 30,000 now? Really?
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    another opinion

    Not from Al Jazeera, from other Chinese monks...
    Temples of change
    Updated: 2011-07-17 10:12
    By Cang Wei (China Daily)

    No longer cloistered, Buddhist monasteries now house thriving communities that develop in tandem with the rest of secular China. Cang Wei visits two leading temples and talks to the abbots.

    It's not easy becoming a Buddhist monk. To gain admission into the Lingyin Monastery at Hangzhou's scenic West Lake, a would-be monk needs to complete four years of seminary studies. Graduation still does not guarantee him a place. He would have to go through a rigorous selection process that includes having a glowing testimonial from the seminary, which will then qualify him for a preliminary interview with senior monks.

    Temples of change

    Master Guangquan, abbot of Hangzhou's Lingyin Temple, thinks the best way to spread Buddhism is through a softer, cultural approach. [Provided to China Daily]
    But if he does gain admission, he would be part of a slowly growing community facing daily challenges and changes.

    According to Master Shuguang, who heads the Qixia Temple in East China's Jiangsu province, there are more than 2,100 temples in the country and about 250,000 monks, including 70,000 who are ethnic Han and 130,000 Tibetan Buddhist monks.

    Almost all the temples have been built or renovated within the last 30 years, says Shuguang. From the 1950s until the late '70s, monks in the temples were either sentenced to prison or forced to return to secular life. Temples were demolished or used as warehouses and schools.

    "There was no religion in China at the time," Shuguang says.

    The turning point came in 1978, when the Third Plenary Session of the 11th Central Committee of the Communist Party of China put forward policies that once again legalized religion.

    Temples in the country were gradually restored in the 1980s, and many Buddhist seminaries were established to nurture a new generation of Buddhist monks and believers.

    In today's monasteries, living conditions are much improved. Vegetables of all kinds are sent to the temples regularly and Buddhist robes distributed every year. In fact, life can be so good that some traditions have had to change.

    "Cooks in Qixia Temple now make food without oil to prevent fatty liver and other health problems," says Shuguang with a smile.

    The monks in Lingyin Temple also enjoy five dishes and a soup every day for lunch and dinner, its abbot Guangquan tells us. Lingyin is the temple with the strict entry requirements, on top of the basic conditions of being above 18 years old and having no physical or mental disabilities.

    To gain entry into any temple, a novice has to submit a formal application and live in the temple for about two years practicing and studying Buddhism. He will only be ordained if he still wants to join the order after this.

    Although there is a steady number of applications, Guangquan feels there has been no significant increase in monks, novices or believers coming to the temple.

    About 3 million people visited the Ling-yin monastery last year, but no one can say for sure how many are true devotees, he says.

    The better economy and resulting living conditions may actually be deterrents, and China's one-child policy has directly affected the number of men becoming monks.

    While China had 2 to 3 million monks during the Tang Dynasty (AD 618-907) and the Song Dynasty (960-1279), the current number is only a small fraction of that.

    Charlatans masquerading as monks blemish the image of Buddhism, Shuguang says. They swindle people using the name of religion and he feels official measures must be strengthened to discipline these delinquents.

    Guangquan thinks Buddhism needs to invest more active effort to spread the faith, and he thinks it pales in comparison to Christianity in this aspect. That is why he feels that "instead of waiting in temples, Buddhists should exercise more initiative to provide the people with moral support."

    Some Chinese temples have indeed started exploring more aggressive methods, but not all approve of their efforts.

    In Central China's Henan province, the world famous Shaolin Temple often makes headlines in the local media because of its "over-commercialization". Under the leadership of its controversial abbot Shi Yongxin, the temple has even set up its own companies, following the social entrepreneurship route.

    The abbot also established eight Shaolin temples abroad.

    Even within the Buddhist community, opinions are divided. Where head monk Shuguang firmly supports the Shaolin abbot, who he describes as "aggressive and courageous", Lingyin's Guangquan shows a more conservative attitude.

    "As a pioneer in the reform of Buddhism in China, the Shaolin abbot can become either a model of courage or be blamed in future," Guangquan hedges.

    Under Guangquan's guidance, Lingyin Temple has a totally different approach to the spread of Buddhist teachings. Monks at Lingyin invite believers to their temple to enjoy tea and music. They distribute free food to people in the city on festive days, and once a year, the monks take to the streets with bowls in hand in an annual walk through town to receive alms.

    "We are making an effort to spread Buddhism through a cultural approach," the abbot says. "We know Buddhism in China needs innovation, but to date, there is no clear, cohesive direction." And that will be one more item on their daily prayer list.
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    excerpt

    I only clipped the Shaolin portion. Click the link for the entire article.
    Getting Away: Guandu Old Town....

    The center of Guandu Old Town is the Vajra Pagoda (金刚塔), which is reputed to have been built more than five centuries ago in 1457. Over the years, the pagoda sank into the soft ground, until it was raised 2.6 meters in 2001. Today the perpendicular tunnels within the pagoda are popular places to escape the midday sun.

    On the west side of the plaza that surrounds the Vajra Pagoda are two Bai-style pagodas. Just beyond these pagodas is Miaozhan Temple (妙湛寺), a pleasant Buddhist compound that, like the handful of other temples in Guandu, is open to the public.


    Guandu Shaolin Temple - the original Miaozhan Temple sign is still partially visible

    Since 2009, Miaozhan Temple has been known as Guandu Shaolin Temple (官渡少林寺), taking its name from the legendary Shaolin Temple in central China's Henan province, where kung fu is believed to have originated. In 2009 Shaolin temple took over management of Miaozhan Temple – and three nearby temples – for a period of 20 years.

    This temple management takeover attracted its share of criticism for commercializing Buddhism, but on a recent visit we found that Guandu Shaolin Temple felt more cared-for than when it was Miaozhan Temple.


    A courtyard inside Guandu Shaolin Temple

    We sat down for a cup of tea and a chat with Yan Bei (延贝), the head monk from the Shaolin delegation, who told us that we could study kung fu for US$500 per week or US$10,000 per year, not including room and board. Not cheap, but probably worth it for martial arts enthusiasts who would rather learn Shaolin kung fu in sunny Yunnan than crowded and polluted Henan.


    Hopefully these aren't from Dianchi

    Outside the temple's south wall is a lively little market selling daily necessities to locals, trinkets to tourists and spicy stir-fried snails to anyone brave enough to eat them.

    Next door to Guandu Shaolin Temple is another old temple, Fading Temple (法定寺), which is a bit smaller but has fewer visitors, making it quite peaceful. Strolling from tiny courtyard to tiny courtyard, we could only hear the sound of birds, chatting and an old man strumming a four-stringed sixian nearby. The city was slowly retreating from our consciousness.
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    We sat down for a cup of tea and a chat with Yan Bei (延贝), the head monk from the Shaolin delegation, who told us that we could study kung fu for US$500 per week or US$10,000 per year, not including room and board.
    Why does this not surprise me? Per week??

    "Yan" guys are everywhere now. Nothing but Yan. Yongxin has really made sure he rules over Shaolin for generations to come.

    Sometimes I'm so ashamed of all this...

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    Disrepair? WTF?

    This article is slanted.
    Bank loan to return temple to former glory
    Updated: 2011-07-27 22:29

    Graffiti by visitors tarnishes the walls of the Shaolin temple at Songshan, near Zhengzhou city in Henan province. A loan agreement worth 100 million yuan was signed between the temple and the Bank of China Henan branch on July 27, 2011, to enable the temple's renovation. Temple authorities have pledged to repay the loan within three years using money made from admission charges for visitors to the temple. [Photo/Xinhua]





    The story implies that Shaolin has been trashed by graffiti, and while there is some graffiti, as is a casualty of any Chinese tourist site, it's not out of control. Actually, the Abbot has told me personally that his aspiration is to return Shaolin Temple to its highest glory. According to him, during periods in the Ming and Qing, the temple was ten times the size of what it is today. That's ambitious.
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    Is Shaolin really in that much disrepair right now?

    I haven't been there in several years, but all the reports I get imply that it's in better shape than ever. But still, after several million tourists, I can imagine decline. Would anyone who has been there lately like to chime in on this?
    Shaolin Restores Kung Fu Glory with Loan
    2011-07-30 17:30:01 CRIENGLISH.com Web Editor: Yu
    By Tom McGregor of China-World Affairs Column

    When I was a child, one of my first memories was of watching kung fu films, which was my initial introduction to China and its culture. Some could argue that kung fu movies offer a false image of the country, but let's face it, without the commercialization of kung fu culture, far fewer people in the West would have taken an interest in China and that includes myself.

    The strongest promoters of the Chinese kung fu myth have been the Buddhist monks of the Shaolin Temple, located in Song Shan, near Zhengzhou city, Henan province in central China. The temple's abbot, Shi Yongxin, has successfully utilized the monk's kung fu reputation to lure more people into following Buddhism and the Chinese martial arts.

    The Shaolin Temple has become ingrained as an icon of Chinese pop culture. The monastery is featured in many movies, TV shows and TV documentaries. The temple is one of China's top tourist attractions, attracting approximately 2 million visitors annually. Media outlets reporting on the Shaolin Temple often show photos of monks dressed in light gray robes, standing upside down on just one finger in outstanding poses, or demonstrating other mesmerizing feats of martial arts.

    Shaolin monks also maintain their devout spirituality through deep meditation, performing Buddhist rituals and obeying a strict religious code of conduct.

    Meanwhile, facilities at the Shaolin Temple have fallen into a state of disrepair, which means that the costs for complete renovation would amount to at least 100 million yuan. But the monks have found a solution.

    The Xinhua News Agency reports, "The Shaolin Temple, the ancient Chinese monastery famed for its Buddhist traditions and kung fu, signed an agreement worth 100 million yuan with the Henan branch of the Bank of China on Wednesday, to help restore the temple buildings to their former glory."

    Completing renovations would boost tourism, since Chinese martial arts have become popular all over the globe, ever since the late kung fu action hero, Bruce Lee, starred in Hollywood blockbuster films in the late 1960s and early 1970s. Many teachers and students of martial arts draw much of their inspiration from the Shaolin Temple, while many of them organize trips to the monastery. Actually, the temple can enhance China's 'soft power' diplomacy and provides a more intriguing picture of the nation.

    Although Abbot Shi Yongxin faces a great deal of criticism for commercializing the temple, he's bringing global attention to Chinese culture. Many famous Hollywood actors and American superstar athletes have visited the Shaolin Temple to learn from the kung fu monks. Chinese actor Jackie Chan has starred in a number of movies featuring the Shaolin Temple. Former world-champion heavyweight boxer, Evander Holyfield, recently returned from a visit to the monastery. He boasted of training with the Shaolin monks during interviews with American sports reporters.

    China's kung fu image does seem overly-hyped, but there's a saying, "don't bite the hand that feeds you." Many overseas tourists, who flock to the Shaolin Temple, spend money when they dine at local restaurants, sleep at nearby hotels and motels and shop at regional stores. While purchasing goods and services they add to sales tax revenues, which benefits the country as a whole.

    Instead of criticizing the commercialization of the Shaolin Temple, China should encourage people from all over the world to visit the tourist hotspot.

    Nevertheless, there's more to the Shaolin Temple than kung fu. The official website emphasizes that the influence of Buddhism prevails at the monastery. The home page provides more details about its Buddhist faith than its kung fu affiliation. Shaolin monks are actively involved in charitable activities according to a statement on its website:

    "The Shaolin Charitable Foundation was founded in February 1994 �� The foundation conducted poverty and disaster relief for Project Hope, establishing Shaolin Charity House to care for thousands of orphans; regularly providing assistance for underprivileged children to go to school; drilling deep wells for villages in need of water resources; delivering food to impoverished ethnic minority villages; supplying medical facilities to the indigent rural hospitals; organizing volunteer medical teams touring the province to provide care and treatment to the needy; providing financial assistance to academic organizations; and contributing relief funds and materials to flood disaster areas."

    Shaolin monks help children in need and aid the nation during large-scale crises. Accordingly, the 100 million yuan Bank of China loan for the complete renovation of the Shaolin temple comes at an opportune time, which will guarantee more tourism dollars flowing into China for many years to come. China's legendary kung fu image may not please everyone, but it does please all followers of Chinese martial arts who dream about visiting the Shaolin Temple at some point in their lives.

    Tom McGregor is a China Radio International columnist
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    Last year I noticed a lot of spray paint graffiti (Chinese) on the pagoda at the top of the hill behind Zhongyuemiao, the Daoist Monastery at the edge of Dengfeng.

    At Shaolinsi there wasn't any such graffiti, but many scratches on things as shown in one of those pictures. Nothing terrible though, and at least no Western graffiti. It was all Chinese.

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