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    Thank you Omar, that's what I'm talking about. Oh yea it also holds in the fat sifu's gut.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maxwang View Post
    what happens when a lower sash/belt beats a higher sash/belt in a fight or form competition?
    Like when my Blue Belt training partner tapped a Brown Belt at Super Slam this weekend?

    People generally slap you on the back. It's not a reflection on the Brown Belt's skills, but on the Blue Belt's achievement.

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    In some styles like Judo, Jiu jitsu, Swai jow the belt is used to throw your oponent.

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    Yeah, there are also techniques, like certain chokeholds, that use the opponent’s gi. These can be applied to other types of clothing like shirts though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lunghushan View Post
    No, this weight belt thing is nonsense (at least I never heard of it).
    So I assume you know everything about everything. And to call what I have been taught "nonsense" just shows how ignorant of a person you are, your instructor must be something special.
    You don't win silver, you lose gold.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Helena Handbask View Post
    So I assume you know everything about everything. And to call what I have been taught "nonsense" just shows how ignorant of a person you are, your instructor must be something special.
    I can express an opinion on here if I want. As for the hernia thing, if you're getting hernias you must be weak or have bad training.

    As for Omar's thing, modern Chinese may not do this but modern Chinese don't do a lot of things that Chinese people used to do.

    Anyways, in Japan this is called a haramaki. I don't know the name in Chinese.
    Last edited by lunghushan; 09-17-2006 at 10:53 AM.

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    http://homepage1.nifty.com/koshifumi/fdc-02a.html

    lol.

    http://www.e-budostore.com/special.htm

    Now we're still waiting for any examples of this sort of thing in CHINA. Old China, new China, a piece of Chinese artwork....anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by omarthefish View Post
    http://homepage1.nifty.com/koshifumi/fdc-02a.html

    lol.

    http://www.e-budostore.com/special.htm

    Now we're still waiting for any examples of this sort of thing in CHINA. Old China, new China, a piece of Chinese artwork....anything.
    Unfortunately I don't have time to hunt it down. No skin off my back in that I don't really care to prove it to you anyway.

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    There's no need to.

    Most everyone knows your FOS on this subject anyways. It's your theory.

    Can you even say where you head this story or even where you heard that something similar has ever been a traditional piece of Chinese clothing?

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    I'm not really a fan of using the belts as a form of advancement. I think there can be too many levels and, in many classes, belts are awarded when they probably shouldn't be.

    I think a belt is just a belt. To be honest if a school is going to award them then it should be up to the student in question as to when he feels like he's ready to advance. Some students would award themselves up to black belt within months without really knowing anything while others may stay at a lower rank even though their skills far exceed many above them.

    Personally I like the idea of having a fixed test for everyone...No more than four times a year. That way you could actually guage the progress that you have made over the past three months.

    One other thing: Many schools use advancement as a way to make money through testing fees. I think in situations where you actually pay for your test the school is NOT going to fail you unless you screw up bad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lunghushan View Post
    I can express an opinion on here if I want. As for the hernia thing, if you're getting hernias you must be weak or have bad training.

    As for Omar's thing, modern Chinese may not do this but modern Chinese don't do a lot of things that Chinese people used to do.

    Anyways, in Japan this is called a haramaki. I don't know the name in Chinese.
    Just a reminder, I was carrying weight and working on plyometrics. I'm sure at your level you don't train the way I do. Any type of high impact training or heavy lifting can cause a hernia. Unless you practice Tai Chi

    Any way none of what I have debated here has anything to do my own preferences. But when it comes to sensiblity rank is sometime neccesary, Think of it from a Military sence. After all Kung Fu is a war art and rank in a neccesity to keep order.

    Show me a School that doesn't have a ranking system and I'l show you a School that can't pay it's rent.

    narcissism is exactly what make some folks resist authority and a disciplined structure. People like this want to say their part of the team but don't want to wear the uniform.

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    I can show you at least one school with no ranking system that pays it's rent but I do admit that it is in the extreme minority and I still agree with your point.

    Lunshan,

    I'll admit up front that I am coming on a bit stronger than your posts merit just because I have seen you to spout off an awfull lot, making really authoritative declaritive statements about stuff you don't really know about before and in general you have some kind of ax to grind or SOME sort of issues I don't understand about teachers, schools etc. You don't seem to like anything and somehow think you are qualified to judge in many areas that you just aren't. That being said......

    A "hong dou" is not like a hakimara beyond some very superficial resemblances but then swimsuits and lingerie are similar too. Doesn't mean they share a common root. The hong dou has nothing whatsoever to do with covering the belly for some sort of TCM belief. More relevant to your analogy, a hong dou covers the belly AND chest. It's still worn today by children in the countryside. Little children with no pants on run around with them on. It also, served as a kind of Chinese lingerei for WOMEN as it covers their breasts but leaves the back open. You can see Gong Li looking very sexy in one in "Joudou". They are generally red and satiny.

    Here's some examples courtesy of google:

    http://images.google.com/images?q=%E...al&sa=N&tab=wi

    Very sexy......

    heh. Ironically, most of the examples provided by the Chinese search engine, Baidu.com, don't even cover the belly:

    http://image.baidu.com/i?tn=baiduima...d=%B6%C7%B6%B5

    Here's one terrifying example:

    http://image.baidu.com/i?ct=20132659...%C7%B6%B5&in=7

    Here's a nicer one:

    http://image.baidu.com/i?ct=20132659...C7%B6%B5&in=16

    ooh...better still:

    http://www.5vmm.com/nv/mm/2324.html
    Last edited by omarthefish; 09-17-2006 at 09:42 PM.

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    Omar,

    That's not what I'm talking about.

    Based upon the arguments that modern sanshou and modern sanda are realistic of CMA, the fact that somebody selling internal herbal formulas without listing the ingredients argues that this is okay by FDA rules (it is not), and numerous other examples, such as you arguing with me about something from Chinese history based upon modern China, and that modern Shaolin is somehow of martial value, I've come to the conclusion that there's no point in talking to any of you anymore.

    For the record (I removed the post), I spoke with an older Chinese gentleman who said this was indeed a traditional garment, called a du-do ('protect belly'), and now the term is also used for a tank top type of garment, but the modern Chinese don't like wearing it anymore.

    He said he used to see people in villages wearing it when he was a kid, but now that it's only used for traditional Chinese medicine for holding on herbs about the belly. He did say that people in remote villages possibly could still wear it (which would account for the reference in a book I found).

    As for the weight belt thing, he said they never used a sash for this, but rather a stout belt usually made of leather. I've come across Hung Gar people wearing that.
    Last edited by lunghushan; 09-17-2006 at 10:51 PM.

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    Dude, it's not me.There's no point in you discussing this or any of the other things you post about with anyone. It's the same on all of your threads. Wether it's crapping on every MA teacher you ever met, explaining why contracts are bad, Chinese medicine or whatever your current rant is.

    And btw, "du dou" does NOT mean "protect belly". The "du" does in fact mean "belly" but the "dou" just means a "pocket" or a "bag". You are here trying to remember a conversation with some Chinese guy you had and I am on the other side telling you what it actually means. It's the same garment. Here's a pic of the more traditional du dou, not the fasionable lingerei version:

    This is a traditional du dou that you might see worn by a young woman in the countryside:

    http://image.baidu.com/i?ct=20132659...%C7%B6%B5&in=1

    This is another very traditional kind worn by a baby:

    http://imgnews.baidu.com/ir?u=http:/...none&st=detail

    This is the basic pattern when not being worn:

    http://image.baidu.com/i?ct=20132659...C7%B6%B5&in=31

    And your post above is very representative of why most people around here find you to be an irritating dilletant.

    It's good you retracted the statement (even though you restated it above) because you clearly either misunderstood the old Chinese dude, he misunderstood you or you just don't remember your conversation clearly enough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by omarthefish View Post
    It's good you retracted the statement (even though you restated it above) because you clearly either misunderstood the old Chinese dude, he misunderstood you or you just don't remember your conversation clearly enough.
    Dude, I talked to the guy TODAY. He's from Beijing. He even gave me the Chinese letters written down, which I would transfer to computer except there's no point in dealing with you anymore.

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