Is Shaolin-Do for real?- THE POLL

[sunfist]

With several threads running in circles of rhetoric, you knew it was coming.

To further clarify the question, do you believe shaolin do teach the TCMA that they propose to teach authentically?

[omarthefish]

The most entertaining thing about the whole topic is that fact that so many people even entertain it as a legitimate question. I pretty much had to pick the comedy option because that's what it is, a comedy. I can't even be bothered to construct a real argument because that actually dignifies their position as the subject becomes "debateable" when actually, no, it's just a joke.

No connection with Shaolin whatsoever and the entire history is just plain fabricated out of whole cloth. I won't knock on their schools because they don't seem particularly better or worse than the average MA school but I won't argue with whatever rep comes on here soon to explain how "Sure, there are some questions about the history but....."

lol. Not "some questions" more like "Completely made up."

End of story.

[yu shan]

I really do not care but, I do know Judge Pen is for real! I`ve seen the boy fight.

[bodhitree]

I dont care, but I would also cast a vote that having 'I don't care' as a poll option is not funny

[Judge Pen]

Because public opinon legitimizes everything....

Yu Shan, thank-you for the complimentary words.

[LongPath]

I trained for a couple of months at one of the schools.

The people are wonderful, and very serious martial artists.

Is it a real martial art? I know it sure as heck ain't karate, since I have previous training in TKD and Shotokan. It seems completely unrelated to them, and the stances are basically the same as what I am learning in Tai Chi now.

They are very serious about what they teach, and they are less profit oriented than most other schools I've seen. In other words, I think they are good schools with good/serious martial artists.

On the other hand, their "lineage" seems like a total crock. Sorry! I see it as a melange of CMA from Indonesia.

Can't explain Sin The, never met him.

[omarthefish]

I really do not care but, I do know Judge Pen is for real! I`ve seen the boy fight.

So can Crocop but that doesn't make him "authentic TCMA".

So can Royce Gracie but that doesn't make him "authentic TCMA".

So can Fedor but that doesn't make him "authentic TCMA".

So can a LOT of people but that doesn't make them "authentic TCMA".

Judge Pen's ability to fight is 100% irrelevant to the poll.


Everyone who voted that they are "authentic TCMA" has their head so far up their you know where they can almost see their own tonsils.

[Judge Pen]

So can Crocop but that doesn't make him "authentic TCMA".

So can Royce Gracie but that doesn't make him "authentic TCMA".

So can Fedor but that doesn't make him "authentic TCMA".

So can a LOT of people but that doesn't make them "authentic TCMA".

Judge Pen's ability to fight is 100% irrelevant to the poll.


Everyone who voted that they are "authentic TCMA" has their head so far up their you know where they can almost see their own tonsils.

In the words of the Dude, "Like, hey that's just your opinion, man." I think the idea of a public poll on this topic is silly and irrelevant. I also think that those trying to voice their opinions louder to make them seem more legitimate is also silly.

[sunfist]

think the idea of a public poll on this topic is silly and irrelevant.

Its fairly obvious that nobody actually wants to change their oppinions, it is in the intrest of pragmatism that we can now tick a little box instead of write a 1000 word manifesto, wouldnt you say?

[Judge Pen]

Its fairly obvious that nobody actually wants to change their oppinions, it is in the intrest of pragmatism that we can now tick a little box instead of write a 1000 word manifesto, wouldnt you say?

I learn more from discussing the details then just seeing the finished result.

[Golden Tiger]

Omar,

SD and Master Sin visit X'ian every time they travel to China and stop by and do a demo at Master Zhao's school. Seems like I even told you about a month prior to their last visit. Must not have been able to make it.

Anyway, Master Zhao and his teachers seem to like something about Sin The', seeing that Zhao traveled to the US and spent a week staying with him in Cali.

I think they are returning in a year or so and I will do my best to keep you updated so maybe you can stop by and help them remove their heads.

[sunfist]

Never fear JP, this thread is already taking on some of the charming character of the old one

[omarthefish]

In the words of the Dude, "Like, hey that's just your opinion, man." I think the idea of a public poll on this topic is silly and irrelevant. I also think that those trying to voice their opinions louder to make them seem more legitimate is also silly.

It's not just my opinion. It is also the opinion of pretty much anyone on the planet with any actual ties to Shaolin. It is the opinion of the historical researchers out ther and honestly, eeveryone not affiliated with Shaolin Do. You may as well be arguing for legitimacy of Alian abductions. There is just as much evidence out there. The actual lineage and history from the Shalin temple is documented well enough that you just need to to the tiniest bit of actual historical research to see that the Shaolin Do history is 100% fabricated.

Omar,

SD and Master Sin visit X'ian every time they travel to China and stop by and do a demo at Master Zhao's school. Seems like I even told you about a month prior to their last visit. Must not have been able to make it.

Anyway, Master Zhao and his teachers seem to like something about Sin The', seeing that Zhao traveled to the US and spent a week staying with him in Cali.

I think they are returning in a year or so and I will do my best to keep you updated so maybe you can stop by and help them remove their heads.

I do actually have a vague memory of someone saying something about that but I still don't see how it's relevant.

You need to be more specific than "Master Zhao". There is a Zhao Xiangjun Wushu Xuexiao here in Xi'an not far from me. "Master Zhao" is my gongfu nephew. But even if he is a **** Sanda superstar, see my previous post. Sin The could be the next Pride Grand Prix Champion. How is that relevant to his connection to the Shaolin temple? How does that legitimize his fairy tale history?

I refuse to specifically attack the details of the Shaolin Do official history because it is so funny it's like getting into an argument about the historical roots of the assasin Gen from the video game "King Of Fighters".

All Shaolin Do derserves in terms of historical review is ridicule, plain and simple. Everone with any serious background in actual TCMA knows it.

[Judge Pen]

The poll was TCMA not pure shaolin kung fu. I don't beleive everything in SD's history (in fact I take it with a very large grain of salt) but a history that isn't all true doesn't meant that SD isn't TCMA. It doesn't meant that the source material wasn't Chinese.

When did you get appointed to speak for everyone else but those that do SD? You speak for everyone with a serious background in TCMA now? Let me see your proxy papers. Ask if you can vote in the poll more than once since your opinion obviously means more than everyone elses.

[Radhnoti]

I think their historical beginning is fabrication, but I think it started as Chinese. It travelled through two countries since and admits to having changed from it's original form. If I were classifying it NOW I wouldn't call it "kung-fu" as that seems to imply "one level" of removal from China to the kung-fu elitists. I'd call it kuntao, but as that's not an option and none of my qualifiers were available in the list I had to vote "authentic TCMA".