TUF Season 4 question

[Knifefighter]

My Backfist is easily as strong as my right cross.

Considering the biomechanics of the human body predicate that power development from a cross will always have much more potential for power than a backfist, you must have one weak-a$$ cross.

[Knifefighter]

I've actually seen a lot of boxers (and do it myself) turn a missed jab into a backfist or hammerfist. It will land to get you the point, disorient your opponent and make them more vulnerable to more strikes, and makes them think you are faster than you really are. This doesn't look like a backfist, and isn't thrown from way back at the face (like I said it usually starts out as a jab)

The "backfist" you are talking about is not a backfist, it is more of a paw. It doesn't score points with the judges and it usually doesn't disorient the opponent. It is used to keep him from launching an offense on you when you miss your jab and can't follow it up with something better.

[Knifefighter]

holding stances and forms is bad? why? why is it bad? what do you have to show that says it is detrimental to ones learning in a style of kungfu? specifically? I can tell you specifically what it has to do with kinesiological principles associated with the art being practiced. can you tell me specifically what is wrong?

The basic training principle is known specific adaptations to applied demands, AKA specificity of training. In combination with Selye's General Adaptation Syndrome, it is the bedrock of all efficient training.

Unless your art is done holding an isometric stance while fighting, holding stances is pretty much worthless.

[Green Cloud]

A jab sets up the more powerful rear hand. All a backfist sets up is a decrease in power for the rear hand.

See that's the thing your idea of a backfist is based on the check and back fist from win chun.

When I throw a back fist (been choi) there is no recoil, it's coiled much like a spin back fist and then followed through with an over hand rt. If I do wip the backfist and recoil it that's just to distract the opponent and make him try to slip it while the same hand reverses the direction and is then turns into a hook.

Simply put a fake.

Not every MA tech. is designed for a knock out but to create options and illusions to decieve your oponent.

[Green Cloud]

The basic training principle is known specific adaptations to applied demands, AKA specificity of training. In combination with Selye's General Adaptation Syndrome, it is the bedrock of all efficient training.

Unless your art is done holding an isometric stance while fighting, holding stances is pretty much worthless.

Yes and no, stances are designed to develop endurance. Too much stance training without plyometrics and some impact training then you will lack stregth and power.

You have to train both fast twich muscles and the slow twich muscles. But any personal trainer can tell you that Dale.

As far as holding a stance and fighting who does that??? The more you talk about CMA the more I understand what a limmited understanding of CMA training you realy have.

But yet you are drawn to CMA like a moth to a flame aren't ya

[The Xia]

There is also stance training where you don't hold just one stance. You can shift stances, throw strikes, etc. You keep moving. That's good as is simply holding the stance. One of the many strong points of Kung Fu is that provides it a great variety of training methods.

[Green Cloud]

There is also stance training where you don't hold just one stance. You can shift stances, throw strikes, etc. You keep moving. That's good as is simply holding the stance. One of the many strong points of Kung Fu is that provides it a great variety of training methods.

That's right Xia, holding postures for long periods of time is only done with beginner students to develop endurance. Holding stances are done early in the training so that the student can memorize and develop proper techniqe.

In the old days stationary stance training was used for very practical reasons like,,, for punishment,,natural selection (to weed out the bad from the good students) and to develop stregnth and character.

Sure poke fun at stationary stance training all you want,, I've had the best of athletes try to hold a square horse for a few minutes and on many occasions the tears were flowing.

Personaly I don't know anyone that is a fan of stance training but it has it's porpous in building a strong foundation.

As I said this is done by beginers mostly than we move on to more active foot work.

As far as cross training with weights, cardio, or isometrics that's up to the indavidual. I'm sure in todays world of internet and media one would think that's part of the deal when training in any MA system.

[The Xia]

Mostly. It's also a good way to expose your fingers and wrists for locks and breaks.

If fu jow were useless why would styles such as Hung Gar use it so much? Historically, Hung Gar was used heavily by anti-Qing rebels. If you don't believe me, you can easily look it up. Look up the Hung Mun society (often spelled Hongmen), which, by the way, still exists. In general, TCMA was used by people who fought for life and death. Do you really think that these fighters had the luxury of practicing useless arts with ineffective techniques?

[Green Cloud]

For some reason open handed techniques and eye gougeing is illegal in the UFC,, I guess that's because their inaffective

[Ben Gash]

Considering the biomechanics of the human body predicate that power development from a cross will always have much more potential for power than a backfist, you must have one weak-a$$ cross.

I will guarantee that my right cross is stronger than yours (largely due to me being twice the size of you), but my backfist is strong because of all that time I waste on developing my body mechanics
Your ignorant comments about tiger claws betray the fact that you have no idea whatsoever of correct usage of this technique, and are just talking out of your a$$. How is a tiger claw any more vulnerable than any other grab? The claw should not be deployed until you've hit them with the palm. Let's ask Bas if palms are ineffective and vulnerable? No? And once you've grabbed it's to all intents and purposes a high pressure grab.

[Knifefighter]

If fu jow were useless why would styles such as Hung Gar use it so much? Historically, Hung Gar was used heavily by anti-Qing rebels. In general, TCMA was used by people who fought for life and death.

People who fought for life and death have pretty much always used weapons. The fact CMA practitioners think that these rebels fought emtpty-handed using their "windmill" techniques is just another glaring example of CMA brainwashing.

[Knifefighter]

I will guarantee that my right cross is stronger than yours ,

If it is a powerful as your backfist, I guarantee it isn't

but my backfist is strong because of all that time I waste on developing my body mechanics

If you really were spending your time developing proper body mechanics, your cross would be much more powerful than your backfist.

[Knifefighter]

That's right Xia, holding postures for long periods of time is only done with beginner students to develop endurance. Holding stances are done early in the training so that the student can memorize and develop proper techniqe..

Holding a stationary stance does nothing for fighting technique and there are much more effective and efficient ways for developing endurance.

In the old days stationary stance training was used for very practical reasons like,,, for punishment,,natural selection (to weed out the bad from the good students) and to develop stregnth and character.

And just another example of holding on the the "old ways" at the expense of better methods.

Sure poke fun at stationary stance training all you want,, I've had the best of athletes try to hold a square horse for a few minutes and on many occasions the tears were flowing.

Ballerinas can do the same thing on their toes for extended periods of time that would leave just about any fighter falling on the floor with agony. Doesn't mean ballerinas have any fighting ability though.

[Knifefighter]

You have to train both fast twich muscles and the slow twich muscles. But any personal trainer can tell you that

Actually, a qualified strength and conditioning specialist will know that you train the specific energy systems and movement patterns that are specific to the activity you are training for. Training the wrong ones are counterproductive to maximal performance.

As far as holding a stance and fighting who does that???

My point exactly. That is one of the reasons holding stances is a waste of time if your goal is to be able to fight.

[Yao Sing]

Guys like Knifefighter seem to be of the opinion that practice should ONLY include direct fighting movements. IOW, don't skip rope because you don't hop around like that when fighting.

I don't know how common that belief is in the MMA world but you'll notice on TUF the fighters are hopping with feet together over and on top of blocks. That just tells me that beliefs like KF's are not held by the serious professional MMA fighters.