i dont think its that hard to break an arm standing or on the ground when i was traning kuntao/silat a lot of things we did was to break everything you touch . and bones are not that hard
i dont think its that hard to break an arm standing or on the ground when i was traning kuntao/silat a lot of things we did was to break everything you touch . and bones are not that hard
I've done it. More than once.
Strike them in the face (or other handy soft spot), as this tends to make uke more cooperative, then execute something on the order of a standing ude-hishigi-juji-gatame (Cross Armlock, for you uncultured Speedo types).
More commonly, a detainee (in my case, suspected AIF's) will attempt to break an armlock, resulting in a dislocation at the shoulder.
Last edited by Wood Dragon; 01-04-2007 at 01:02 AM.
SevenStar: It's hilarious seeing people's reactions when they see a big, black dude with a sword walking toward them.
Masterkiller: Especially when they're at the ATM.
WTF? How did we go from the White Haired Devil strangling and beating guys to death in a teahouse, to Mr Miyagi and Jhoon Rhee?
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Most classical limb destructions focus on dislocation over fracture because A) you get a consistently reliable result (bone behaviour can be REALLY surprising) B) it is much more disabling, and C) you can train it safely and know the technique is working.
I work in an emregency department, and I can assure you that yes indeed, bones break VERY easily. As I will guarantee that I've seen more broken bones and joint dislocations than the rest of you put together, trust me on this one.
"The man who stands for nothing is likely to fall for anything"
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I've experienced the same thing many times. Yes, I was resisting once the technique was put in place. But could that position be gained and that technique applied while I am striking with full intention.... usually, I would say an adaptation or a change to a different technique would be needed in almost every case.
Of course you see a lot of breaks... you are seeing the results of all the crazy things people do like hurl themselves from roofs. Working in an ER will give you a skewed reality.
Bones might be easy to break from falls from motorcycles, buildings, bikes, skateboards, etc... but they are very hard to break from a standing position with another human being trying to do the breaking.
Last edited by Knifefighter; 01-04-2007 at 09:42 AM.
KF always manages to make me smile. <3 to him.
You really make me laugh Knifefighter. What's becoming increasingly apparent when I read these threads is that many submission guys are just as delusional as many kung fu guys, just about different things. People have their arms, legs, skulls, necks, ribs, sternums etc broken, people are killed by single punches, people are KTFOd as they shoot in EVERY DAY BY COMPLETELY UNTRAINED OPPONENTS. The delusion of many kung fu guys is they fail to appreciate how dangerous groundgrappling could be, but equally many submission guys appear to completely underestimate the dangers posed by striking, thinking they'll see and anticipate every strike and be able to react appropriately. "I'll close in and take them down before they get a chance to hit me" is every bit as delusional as "they'll be seriously ****ed up by the time they get close enough to try and take me down".
The truth is that if you engage in combat then you are risking death and serious injury. Training is effectively just playing the numbers to your favour. If you believe that no-one could ever hit you, or no-one could ever take you down, you're living in a dangerous fantasy world and will sadly find yourself bleeding to death in an alley somewhere.
"The man who stands for nothing is likely to fall for anything"
www.swindonkungfu.co.uk
LOL... since I regularly mix it up with other skilled, conditioned and resisting opponents in a variety of competitive settings, I think I have a pretty good idea of what can and cannot happen. Of course I can be hit or taken down... happens all the time to me and others. These things also can be trained so that one can make them happen on purpose as a regular occurance.
However, there are some things, that while they CAN happen, are very rare occurances and almost always happen by accident. Standing arm breaks are one of these things.
As I mentioned before, submission grappling tourneys allow any standing arm break that you can think of. How about one of you deadly kung fu (or silat) guys, who have all this history of breaking people's arms this way, entering one of those competitions and getting back to me with the video to prove me wrong?
Last edited by Knifefighter; 01-04-2007 at 10:06 AM.
SevenStar: It's hilarious seeing people's reactions when they see a big, black dude with a sword walking toward them.
Masterkiller: Especially when they're at the ATM.
WTF? How did we go from the White Haired Devil strangling and beating guys to death in a teahouse, to Mr Miyagi and Jhoon Rhee?
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And how often do arm breaks occur in ground fighting?
Not all that often either.
Dislocation (caused by uke attempting to manuever out of the lock) and elbow/wrist (cuased by too much force/torque being placed on the joint by tori) injuries, maybe.
I'm guessing you do not compete much?
SevenStar: It's hilarious seeing people's reactions when they see a big, black dude with a sword walking toward them.
Masterkiller: Especially when they're at the ATM.
WTF? How did we go from the White Haired Devil strangling and beating guys to death in a teahouse, to Mr Miyagi and Jhoon Rhee?
.