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Thread: Shou Shu - real or another made-up melange?

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    No probs, just messing with ya...

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    Originally posted by Indestructible


    I humbly request your forgiveness. Seven is the number.
    I wasnt gonna bust you out Indy but i think you took one to the head with the whole redundant 4 thing. You know Less isnt better for us buddy.



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    Originally posted by Indestructible
    In all likelihood the original name was Sheng Hun.
    Does anyone know what this translates to?
    Is this your website - it doesn't seem to have anything about Mongoose on it.
    One site, with similar content keeps referring to "Sheng Chi" and has a forum for students of Sheng Chi and Sheng Hun. Another forum claims to be a place for students of Shou Shu and of Sheng Hun. Are these separate arts or are they all the same? The marketting/claimed history of all of these styles seems similar.

    I haven't seen the style in practice, so I can say othing of its effectiveness as a fighting art (I assume it is effective, as I tend to give people the benefit of the doubt). However I have seen a lot of modern arts whose creators invent an ancient history in order to cash in on the popularity of CMA. They are in every country these days and a lot of examples have been posted in these forums inthe past. If you have experience with real CMA, some familiarity with Chinese culture and have seen a few of these around, you start to see certain common charecteristics and it becomes quite easy to spot one. The more I look at these websites the more Shou Shu/Sheng Hun/Sheng Chi begins to look like one of them.


    Far more disturbingly one of the results in a search for "Sheng Hun" is a porn site called "Doctor Voyeur"
    The eunuch should not take pride in his chastity

  4. #379

    IGNORANCE is not bliss

    Originally posted by anton


    Does anyone know what this translates to?
    Is this your website - it doesn't seem to have anything about Mongoose on it.
    One site, with similar content keeps referring to "Sheng Chi" and has a forum for students of Sheng Chi and Sheng Hun. Another forum claims to be a place for students of Shou Shu and of Sheng Hun. Are these separate arts or are they all the same? The marketting/claimed history of all of these styles seems similar.

    I haven't seen the style in practice, so I can say othing of its effectiveness as a fighting art (I assume it is effective, as I tend to give people the benefit of the doubt). However I have seen a lot of modern arts whose creators invent an ancient history in order to cash in on the popularity of CMA. They are in every country these days and a lot of examples have been posted in these forums inthe past. If you have experience with real CMA, some familiarity with Chinese culture and have seen a few of these around, you start to see certain common charecteristics and it becomes quite easy to spot one. The more I look at these websites the more Shou Shu/Sheng Hun/Sheng Chi begins to look like one of them.


    Far more disturbingly one of the results in a search for "Sheng Hun" is a porn site called "Doctor Voyeur"
    No its not our site, it is Da Shifu Schaeffers site from Oregon. He does teach Mongoose but the webmaster didnt put the page up. He has stated he is having another page done.

    Shou Shu or Moores Chinese Martial Arts Schools have been around for over 40 yrs in CA. The original art was not required for a student have all 7 animals if you only learned 4 or 6 then you did. Having learned all seven animals Da Shifu was able to call it Shou Shu. The problem with anyone that says they know this and know that is that the have closed their mind to the What ifs of life. If its not in every form of publication or the style isnt known within the magazine rack then its fake(by your statements).

    Well i think that after 40 yrs of teaching the same art in the same place would be proof enough it works and is effective. If it didnt work then it wouldnt have been around for 40 yrs.

    Sheng Hun is a single school that one Da Shifu had decided to keep it that way. he wanted to teach a small group of students and had no desire to make anymore schools.

    Sheng Chi is a School that is run by a Shun Shifu that is no longer with Moores Shou Shu. He opened his own studio to continue to teach those students that wanted him to teach them.

    So your saying because theses individual Shifus wanted to keep it simple,that they teach a fake art?

    I cant see your point, Because Shou Shu is a refined and streamlined art based solely on Self Defense and pratical application.

    and if you do a search for the whitehouse a porn site comes up too.

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    Re: IGNORANCE is not bliss

    Originally posted by Shou Shu Blue
    The problem with anyone that says they know this and know that is that the have closed their mind to the What ifs of life.
    Conversely the problem with constantly questioning knowledge is that it creates a state of uncertainty where not even the laws of physics apply. (ie. What if when you jump from the Petronas towers, you sprout wings and learn to fly? why not? Have you ever tried it? ... I think you've just 'closed your mind to the what ifs of life' etc...).

    If its not in every form of publication or the style isnt known within the magazine rack then its fake(by your statements).
    Not at all... I re-read my post and still can't see where you read me saying that. Firstly I never stated any style is "fake" - IMO there is no such thing. All I said was that there are many arts in existants whose (modern) founders propagate false histories and false claims to roots in traditional CMA. I said many of these arts share certain similar traits (which I purposely did not mention) and that based on the impression I recently got from the websites as well as various threads on this forum Shou Shu is beginning to appear (to me) more and more like one of them.

    Well i think that after 40 yrs of teaching the same art in the same place would be proof enough it works and is effective. If it didnt work then it wouldnt have been around for 40 yrs.
    I assumed it is an effective art, and have not had sufficient proof to change my beliefs to the contrary. 40 years of teaching in the same place, however proves little to me.

    So your saying because theses individual Shifus wanted to keep it simple,that they teach a fake art?
    1) I did not bring this up as proof of either the art's legitimacy or its effectiveness. I was just asking a question, then I went on to make an unrelated comment about the style's history. But...
    2) Since you mentioned it - how is starting three schools seeming to teach three seemingly different styles with different names "Shou Shu", "Sheng Hun Kung Fu" and "Sheng Chi Kung Fu" keeping things simple? Most arts, in fact every single legitimate traditional Chinese martial art I have ever come across has "a name" that is the name of the art. If people want to name their school something then they add it to the end of the styles name (eg: "Choy Lay Fut, Buk Sing Gwoon"; or "Joe Bloe's school of Hung Gar"). Furthermore - traditionally in Chinese martial arts there aren't official levels of mastery (little sifu, normal sifu, big sifu, dalai ding dong etc..). Once you are a sifu you are a sifu, and this means you know the substantive material of the art (not half of it or bits of it). I'm quite sure that this does not only apply to martial arts either. Seniority continues to exist - that is: the higher up on the "family tree" you are the more skill/knowledge you are assumed to have and the more respect you are given.


    I cant see your point, Because Shou Shu is a refined and streamlined art based solely on Self Defense and pratical application.
    Again if you read my original post you will see that I said I assumed that Shou Shu was an effective fighting art.

    and if you do a search for the whitehouse a porn site comes up too.
    The porn-site thing was just an observation I put in hoping someone else might find it humorous, not an attack on the legitimacy of your style.
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  6. #381
    Now we are getting somewhere.

    1. Moores Chinese MA teaches Shou Shu
    2. Sheng Chi Kung Fu teaches Shou Shu
    3. Fareast Fighting Arts Teaches Sheng Hun



    The comment of Fake comes from the point trying to be made by your posts. as well your only arguement is that the history cant be verified?

    Now the rank system or seniority is something i cant answer since it was not I who emplaced it in the system.

    and the porn site was a pun reply to your end comment as well.

    No harm No Foul.

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  7. #382
    Originally posted by MasterKiller
    How does anyone have first-hand experience with Shou Shu if only someone with all 7 animals knows it? You said previously that no one besides Da Shifu has all 7, right? So technically, you don't even have experience with Shou Shu.
    Can anyone say ignorant. The art can only be called Shou Shu if the Shifu has learned all seven. Therefore D AZZ you are learning Shou Shu.
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    I am more confused by shou shu then ever.
    I will crush my enemies, see them driven before me, then hit their wimminz with a Tony Danza. - Vash

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    WTF is this mongoose stuff? What is this supposed connection beetween Damo, this style , and mongooses? Maybe I shouldn't have looked at this thread , but this mongoose stuff? Where are mongooses from? India? Are there some clips of mongoose? This seems very strange and I thought I saw some people talking about other styles like shaolin-do , kenpo , temple kungfu. Da shifu? WTF is that about? A lineage? ,

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    an explanation of shou shu principles...

    the mongoose uses crappy posture and mystical chi forces to deliver devastatingly powerful attacks.

    Though these attacks are powerful enough to quickly defeat any enemy, they are not as powerful as the bear, which, like an oafish drunk retard, uses pure strength to overwelm its opponant.

    The snake lies in wait, and strkies when the opponant is near to its fangs.

    the crane gives out shrieks as it attacks fish in a lake.

    the dragon burninates everything, and destroys using its one massively built arm. At the heighest level, the practitioner is known as a "trogdor"

    the deer can jump 10 foot walls, and cut people in half with it's dew claw. This style is susceptable to headlights, however.

    and the smurf smurf's all the smurfy smurfs to smurfdom and back till they cant smurf anymore.
    I will crush my enemies, see them driven before me, then hit their wimminz with a Tony Danza. - Vash

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    LOL

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    Originally posted by Shou Shu Blue
    The comment of Fake comes from the point trying to be made by your posts. as well your only arguement is that the history cant be verified?
    Again I hesitate to call a style "fake" - unless they claim to be teaching self-defence but are in fact teaching basketweaving or something. All I'm saying is based on a number of indicators, I suspect that your styles history may be fabricated to a great degree... this does not affect the fact that it is a real martial art, and probably an effective one.


    PS - LMAO @ SKF
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    Kenpo is Shaolin Chuan Fa
    Well, I am not certain that I agree with this anymore than I would say Karate is Chuan Fa, or Tae Kwon Do is White Crane.

    Kenpo/Kempo is a japanese word that equates to "fist method" but is not necessarily reflective of the Shaolin Kungfu and in fact there is a lot of things about Kempo that are not similar to the Shaolin martial arts. (in todays terms, there is not much that is even close about the two or the training methods employed by each)

    KunTao also means the same thing, but this is an indonesian word for "fist method". the style is decidely flavoured Indonesian though as Kempo is styled more closely to Japanese style martial arts.

    Paying homage through name does not make one thing another is what I am saying.

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    word!
    When you assume, you make an ass out of... pretty much just you, really.

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    cut and pasted from GM Al Tracys website:

    Since its introduction to Japan from China in the early 1200's, "Kenpo/Kosho" has always been a Family Art. Passed down through 20 generations of Yoshida "Great Grand Masters"!

    http://www.tracyskarate.com/History/Yoshioda.htm

    Al Tracy should be considered a fairly reliable source, IMHO.
    I know the Japanese have made it their own, but it remains a chinese art.

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