Shaolin-Do numbers

[yutyeesam]

Hi. I was wondering if those of you seniors doing Shaolin-Do could tell me if this is an accurate protrayal of the number of SD schools in the country:
http://www.shaolin-do.com/schools/schoollocations.shtml

Also, how many people in the SD association? It has to be a huge number. What's an average headcount at a school?

I'm trying to determine what the largest Kung-Fu school is in America. My guess was SD, and I'm trying to see if I am right. I don't count Kempo, so Villari is out of the picture.

Thanks,
123

[xcakid]

I'm trying to determine what the largest Kung-Fu school is in America. My guess was SD, and I'm trying to see if I am right. I don't count Kempo, so Villari is out of the picture.

Thanks,
123

Are you talking franchise or chain Kung Fu schools? Not many.

In my experience, most black sashes after getting their sifu's blessing, will start their own KF Kwoon. They teach the same style. Master Tat Mau Wong is the only one I know of that has a few school under his name. Master Doc Fai Wong and Master Leung Shum all have schools under their own associations. Even then the curriculum may vary by schools.

However, if we are talking style, I believe Northern Shaolin Long Fist is the most taught in KF schools here in the US. That may not be quite accurate though.

[Flaca]

Hi. I was wondering if those of you seniors doing Shaolin-Do could tell me if this is an accurate protrayal of the number of SD schools in the country:
http://www.shaolin-do.com/schools/schoollocations.shtml

Also, how many people in the SD association? It has to be a huge number. What's an average headcount at a school?

I'm trying to determine what the largest Kung-Fu school is in America. My guess was SD, and I'm trying to see if I am right. I don't count Kempo, so Villari is out of the picture.

Thanks,
123

It varies by school. My area (Central TX) has maybe 600 students. There are some very large schools (eastern Tennessee, Atlanta, Kentucky, Denver, central TX) and lots of small schools (Tampa, DC, Ithaca). At a guess, there are probably 5000 SD students at any given time.

There are many SD schools that have no SD association members. Possibly 25% in my area are SD Association members. I am in the SDA, and some of my friends are, but not all.

[Judge Pen]

Yes, the SDA is a seperate organization of SD schools. The SDA website is fairly accurate, but there are a few schools that I know of that are not current from that site.

[BoulderDawg]

I wonder if you could count SD and CSC as being the same. If so then there are a goodish number of students under this banner. I've also wondered about independants. I've heard of Black Belts leaving SD and CSC and forming their own schools.

I do know that if you look at the web sites for SD and CSC they basically have the same forms but they have slightly different names. I was wondering if there is a legal reason for this.

[Judge Pen]

I do know that if you look at the web sites for SD and CSC they basically have the same forms but they have slightly different names. I was wondering if there is a legal reason for this.

No, I think its just a slightly different translation/interpretation of the name. I understand some names to be changed by some schools to bring them more in line with main-stream pronounciation (chuan instead of chien for example). And yes, I would include the CSC in that. Anything under GM Sin The's supervision.

[Judge Pen]

Yes that's a fairly accurate list of SD (including CSC banner) schools...I will get you a figure for the SDA (keep in mind not all students are SDA members)...you will have to contact CSC schools for a student count....KFJ could help you there....you will also have to contact the Mullins schools (Tenn.) for a head count there.....JP can help you out there.
BQ

We will need ATLs count too.

[yutyeesam]

What is CSC?

I imagine there are a lot more students than association members. Every SD school has over 500 students, would that be somewhat accurate to say?

-123

[Judge Pen]

What is CSC?

I imagine there are a lot more students than association members. Every SD school has over 500 students, would that be somewhat accurate to say?

-123

Chinese Shaolin Center. Its the organization operated by the Soards.

No, its not accurate. I would dare say that most SD students are in community centers, school gyms, etc. That was my first school: part time in an elementary school gym. The large schools, like Master Joe's, are probably the exception not the rule. My current teacher also teaches part time in a chuch fellowship hall.

[jason.]

Are you talking franchise or chain Kung Fu schools? Not many.

In my experience, most black sashes after getting their sifu's blessing, will start their own KF Kwoon. They teach the same style. Master Tat Mau Wong is the only one I know of that has a few school under his name. Master Doc Fai Wong and Master Leung Shum all have schools under their own associations. Even then the curriculum may vary by schools.

However, if we are talking style, I believe Northern Shaolin Long Fist is the most taught in KF schools here in the US. That may not be quite accurate though.

If you are thinking external this may be true of Northern Shaolin Long Fist ,

but if consider you are considering both external and internal I would say taiji, though that may not be accurate either.

[xcakid]

but if consider you are considering both external and internal I would say taiji, though that may not be accurate either.

I believe you are correct on that one. Cause just about any KF school will teach one form of Taiji or another(Wu/Chen/Yang) as well as Ken(m)po schools, but very rare do you see Xing Yi or Bagua. Heck there are even some Karate schools that will teach Taiji

[BoulderDawg]

I would say 500 would be an extreme high number for our school. I would say Denver/Boulder may have 100-300 active members at any time. I base this on who's there when I go. On occasion we've had up to 50 members for a class however this is rare and usually happens around Jan/Feb.

Of course members who's let their membership expire....That could go into the thousands.

[brucereiter]

We will need ATLs count too.

hi jp,

the atlanta chinese shaolin centers schools and clubs have about 500 that are "on the books" ... 400 people that are active.

best,

bruce

[Meat Shake]

SD is spreading out like a fat girl on a wooden mattress...
Not good.

[Baqualin]

SD is spreading out like a fat girl on a wooden mattress...
Not good.

Like it's a really big deal...I guess the world is coming to an end.
BQ