Shaolin-Do numbers

[Citong Shifu]

As my teacher once told me," A style does not make a master, teacher, or fighter famous, the master, teacher, or fighter makes the style famous". With this said, well I think it speaks for itself... Take care all...

[godzillakungfu]

You know I really hate to say it but quality of instruction at the Colorado CSC seems extremely substandard when compared to other SD, CDC areas.

Too many people to little time. There is more but that is for another thread or another time.

[Kung Pao]

I don't want to sound like a ****, but maybe if you bust ass around the dojo, you can help restructure the level of quality around. Do tons of cardio, lifting, forms, weapons work, stress technique, and really help beef up the basics. Maybe you can be a part of its rebuilding, if it is indeed subpar.

[Kung Pao]

I dont think Im unbeatable, Im just not afraid of losing. Sure, it sucks, but if you lose you learn something. I have knocked out, and been knocked out, Ive hit hard and Ive been hit hard, and in the end, even if someone who trains SD wins, does that mean that SD is good? No. It means that this particular fighter is, and chances are they would win using the same techniques found in just about every system, like a roundhouse, or a punch. Is that SD? No. Its general Basics that someone most likely trained in a fighting emphasis. Beat me with crane poses. Beat me with tiger claws. Beat me with spinning flying jump kicks, and magic death touch pressure points, or maybe with some awkward sideways punch/kicks, then I will believe. .

MS.....you mastered Dim Mak, flying jump kicks, the tiger style, and crane in 2 years? **** man, I've had SD's crane for a long time (don't remember anything else, except basics), and I still haven't mastered it (or them). I use many of its strikes quite often when I spar/fight (I'm no pro, though....but seeing as you're in college, I'd have to say you've probably got more testosterone and aggression than you do actual technique [I was the exact same way, a long time ago]). Take it EZ. Remember, chicks don't sleep with the prototypical spaz unless they're soused. Nobody wins with a pose or a tiger claw in itself. You win with roundhouses and uppercuts and hooks. You don't win with posing. You've hedged in an MA based on your greatest misconceptions, and are truly floating in darkenss and ignorance. If someone wins with SD, it doesn't mean tSD's good. So, if someone loses with sD, it doesn't mean SD is bad. Then what is your point? It seems your point is...I don't care. I rule. I quit SD, I'm jaded, so it sucks. I do Shai Chao, and they tell me it's awesome, and I cross-train in this and that, and these styles say they're awesome and effective, and they are!!! I rule, because I'm young and a hothead, and you're not me. I'll take on anyone, so your style sucks, because you won't, and you're not me.

Sounds like bragadaccio.

But in any case, yes, my door is open for anyone wanting to cross hands, either nicely or meaning business, just decide your purpose for wanting to do so before contacting me.

And yes, real matches come of internet bickering, as is the entire point of bullshido

Alas, and therefore I might just give up talking to people on the internet. I see a lot of posturing (electronically), and fighter's should never strike a pose, or pose as fighters, when they simply posture. These people must have really thin skin, to get miffed from something written on the internet....lol.....(but Bullshido is a funny word....I'll have to google it).

I don't know why that owuld seem so incredible to me but not to others.....

I know you think martial arts like SD or any "soft" CMA are weak and don't create good fighters. I disagree. I think Shuai Chao will make you a good fighter much faster, but I know that it won't make everyone a better fighter in the long run. You didn't learn anything in SD, so you assume nobody else did. I don't know what to say to that to get through to you, but....that's sure closeminded. An SD guy might learn 40 forms in 4-5 years, but the forms are composed of the same kicks, sweeps, blocks, throws, and such. It's not a billion techniques. It's basics reinforced and added on. Gotten to from new angles, applied with different leverage, or different locks. I've never heard the "Ultimate MA" quip from an SD practitioner, but I've seen it on signs and slogans. BJJ uses it all the time, and its practitioners use it all the time. But I've defeated too manyt BJJ guys to take any such claim seriously. To SD's credit, at least the practitioners don't use it. And many BJJ guys levy the claim they don't need extensive standup, b/c everything ends on the ground. Well, I've leveled far too many ground guys to take that seriously. And believe me, I've been leveled far too many times to think extensive standup negates anything on the ground.

MArtial artists are so very conceited and insecure. The style they practice is the one they think is the greatest. The one they suck at (in your case , SD), is the one they think is the worst, or, in your words, bullshido.

Some MA's take longer to make better fighters. But some people don't have the patience. Not necessarily a bad thing, but that impatience makes everything you have to say sound like BS to me.

No offense. But maybe you should just chill out. Nobody seems to be getting worked up. It's just you, man. Hope I've touched your sensibilities.

Peace, bro.

[Meat Shake]

Not worked up at all. Just killing time.

I gave up flying kicks and dim mak as soon as I realized they were bullsh*t. SD is not a fighting art. Its not good for fighting. This is what I have said time and time and time again. Yes, it is a martial art. Good for it. It is not a combat art, it is not a fighting art. Id ask you if you needed me to spell this out for you, but I already am.
Second, I already graduated college. I plan on going back for another degree, but I have already graduated once, with a 3.4.
As far as getting women... I live with my girlfriend of 3 years. Good try though.
And yes, seeing as I am 23, I do have quite a bit of testosterone... You know, that stuff that you had once upon a time that made workouts that much more effective?
Im sure ya do.
I dont think Shuai Chiao is the ****. It works great for me, and for many others. I dont think that BJJ is the best art ever. Grecko roman or sambo can be just as effective. Judo or jujitsu trained properly can be just as good as SC. MANY striking styles can be as good as Muay Thai if trained properly. The underlying theories and concepts in SD are not based on fighting. They are based on goofy stories about monkeys that grab balls.
Also... Ive met and trained and fought with a number of people I have met online. Its just about either putting up or shutting up. I dont have bad blood with anyone I have met with, its just a proving ground. Sooner or later Ill give you the name of the group I am currently training with, but as of right now Its not important. Its also a blend of BJJ and Sambo, not just BJJ. But thanks for making assumptions.
As far as sucking at SD... I was one of the few people training in the area that was working on it to use for fighting, working techniques as I learned them in live situations... which is exactly what spurred me to look elsewhere. It simply was not effective, and no one I spoke to was capable of demonstrating on me what could actually be used against someone.
Its hard to admit that something you have spent a great deal of time and money on is not what you believe it to be... But sometimes if you take a step back just far enough to see yourself, you might just see things for what they really are....

[Kung Pao]

The underlying theories and concepts in SD are not based on fighting. They are based on goofy stories about monkeys that grab balls.

HAHAHAHAHA...... ......That was reallly funny.....

[Kung Pao]

Its hard to admit that something you have spent a great deal of time and money on is not what you believe it to be... But sometimes if you take a step back just far enough to see yourself, you might just see things for what they really are....

True..........

But maybe it's a case of the school.

I don't think SD is set up as a combat school. I agree......but few kung fu schools are, I think. Ah well, maybe we can get along after all. No one martial art will ever be the ultimate. It's not just SD. It's really anything. Most MMA guys I've met have lots of weaknesses, because they never move outside of their art. The ones with "purist" BJJ or Muay Thai are generallly the best.

Funny thing, though. I've won several fights with flying kicks. The only impractical technique is the one hte opponent is expecting....words to live by.

[shadowlin]

Shaolin-Do the art is absolutely a combat art, when learned from a combat-oriented teacher. That's practically all my teachers were back home. They didn't concern themselves at all, unfortunately, with the spiritual or academic aspects of the art. they also didn't delve deep enough into the art itself. Consequently, I suspect that Grandmaster The taught several hundred people Meteor Fist and yet only two or three actually learned anything, and nearly none learned what he meant about the said and the unsaid.
But the truth is that most schools, regardless of style or lineage, in the whole world are not combat-oriented. I haven't seen very many that are. I don't think any of the CSC are. I hear that the Mullins schools are very combat oriented, and I know for a fact that WVA shaolin schools focus on combat because one of their premier masters is a state police trainer - he fights all the time and gets in the cage with MMA fighters. He's quite a fighter, and a wonderful individual.
It's not necessary these days for most schools to be combat oriented. It's up to the people themselves to become combat oriented through rigorous training and mental preparation.
Having practiced SD for a small amount of time, I already can say that I feel the art itself bears no fault for any lack of combat-effectiveness in me. I'd have to bear all that to myself, and so should anyone else regardless of your style. If you don't feel the art you studied was combat-effective, maybe you simply aren't looking at it the right way. After all, they all lead to the same truths.
I'll keep doing shaolin-do because I owe a debt of gratitude to my teachers and I've been given a great many treasures to unlock.
I don't personally like that GM Sin has given out so many of these treasures, but I am thankful and will practice them regardless, because they are combat effective, and that's all I know to say about that.

[kwaichang]

If a person knocks you down or out with a punch it is combat effective. I have done that, so SD is. No system can give the kind hearted the "Killer" instinct, it takes the trials of life to do that. I believe that what MS has seen and therefore believes is those without the will to truly fight. We in SD are not all like what he has seen. Some like fords some chevys but if you own a chevy and it doesnt work that does not make the car bad or the driver just the one that wont work. KC

[Judge Pen]

No system can give the kind hearted the "Killer" instinct, it takes the trials of life to do that.

I couldn't agree more, KC.

[Shaolin Wookie]

Shaolin-Do the art is absolutely a combat art, when learned from a combat-oriented teacher. That's practically all my teachers were back home. They didn't concern themselves at all, unfortunately, with the spiritual or academic aspects of the art. they also didn't delve deep enough into the art itself. Consequently, I suspect that Grandmaster The taught several hundred people Meteor Fist and yet only two or three actually learned anything, and nearly none learned what he meant about the said and the unsaid.
But the truth is that most schools, regardless of style or lineage, in the whole world are not combat-oriented. I haven't seen very many that are. I don't think any of the CSC are. I hear that the Mullins schools are very combat oriented, and I know for a fact that WVA shaolin schools focus on combat because one of their premier masters is a state police trainer - he fights all the time and gets in the cage with MMA fighters. He's quite a fighter, and a wonderful individual.
It's not necessary these days for most schools to be combat oriented. It's up to the people themselves to become combat oriented through rigorous training and mental preparation.
Having practiced SD for a small amount of time, I already can say that I feel the art itself bears no fault for any lack of combat-effectiveness in me. I'd have to bear all that to myself, and so should anyone else regardless of your style. If you don't feel the art you studied was combat-effective, maybe you simply aren't looking at it the right way. After all, they all lead to the same truths.
I'll keep doing shaolin-do because I owe a debt of gratitude to my teachers and I've been given a great many treasures to unlock.
I don't personally like that GM Sin has given out so many of these treasures, but I am thankful and will practice them regardless, because they are combat effective, and that's all I know to say about that.

Yeah, but really.....does everyone have to jump into a steel cage to be a martial artist? I think everyone on this webboard at KFM needs a nut check, for real.

I practice martial arts as an activity and as self-defense. I enjoy it. It keeps me in shape better than everything else. It drives me to learn new things in a different cultural context. And I love to spar and learn what works. But I have no intention of jumping into a steel cage, because I'm not a professional fighter. And neither are any of you, or else I'd have heard of you by now. We all have jobs, some of us are students....we don't all have to be steel cage combat fighters in order for martial arts to be relevant.

Consequently, what we get here on KFM are a bunch of teachers who think we should all be steel cage fighters, who front like they're the ****, and encourage us to drive them out of business by being more like them. I can only imagine a bunch of doughboys at keyboards, eating dim sum to ingest their cultural perspective, and then spewing it up on a web board for our benefit.

If you don't train first and foremost because what you're learning is challenging, progressive, and most importantly--enjoyable....then you're probably not learning anything. How much do you think Sifu Abel learned from his ordeal? Well, we have an online record: NOTHING!!!! LOL! Quod Erat Demonstrandum!

I constantly hear, on this web board, people from all arts regurgitate the same platitudes and sophistry I heard spewed out at various schools, including my own of course.

Just because someone presents you with the truth as they see it doesn't mean you have to eat it.

[BM2]

Yeah, but really.....does everyone have to jump into a steel cage to be a martial artist?


It depends on what is your definition of a martial artisit versus someone else's opinion. It is not having to jump into a cage that makes you a MA, but they do train realistic drills and know first hand what works.


I think everyone on this webboard at KFM needs a nut check, for real.

Maybe you don't care what they think, don't be surpised if they feel the same about you.

I practice martial arts as an activity and as self-defense. I enjoy it. It keeps me in shape better than everything else. It drives me to learn new things in a different cultural context. And I love to spar and learn what works. But I have no intention of jumping into a steel cage, because I'm not a professional fighter. And neither are any of you, or else I'd have heard of you by now. We all have jobs, some of us are students....we don't all have to be steel cage combat fighters in order for martial arts to be relevant.

I have trained with my friends who have had several cage fights. It has opened my eyes on what I thought worked and what does not.

Consequently, what we get here on KFM are a bunch of teachers who think we should all be steel cage fighters, who front like they're the ****, and encourage us to drive them out of business by being more like them. I can only imagine a bunch of doughboys at keyboards, eating dim sum to ingest their cultural perspective, and then spewing it up on a web board for our benefit.



I'm not certain that you are aware that you are spewing right now.


If you don't train first and foremost because what you're learning is challenging, progressive, and most importantly--enjoyable....then you're probably not learning anything. How much do you think Sifu Abel learned from his ordeal? Well, we have an online record: NOTHING!!!! LOL! Quod Erat Demonstrandum!



What would you be able to learn if you found yourself in a similar situation.

I constantly hear, on this web board, people from all arts regurgitate the same platitudes and sophistry I heard spewed out at various schools, including my own of course.

Just because someone presents you with the truth as they see it doesn't mean you have to eat it.

But they are to eat your truth ? Reread your posts and see how insulting you are to others on here who may not have the same opinion as yourself.
I try very hard not to ever believe that I know I am correct. It keeps an open mind to other's viewpoint even if I may not agree.

[Shaolin Wookie]

But they are to eat your truth ? Reread your posts and see how insulting you are to others on here who may not have the same opinion as yourself.
I try very hard not to ever believe that I know I am correct. It keeps an open mind to other's viewpoint even if I may not agree.

The rampant disdain for "classmates" and "students" on this board is disgusting. You're blind if you don't see that in what these guys are discussing. Unless you're a world title holder, or fronting like you are one, there's very little civil discourse. Unless you're making your MA street lethal, or MMA, then it's a big "**** YOU!" from KFM's keyboard pundits.

What I see disturbing is this trend for the childish, bickering KFM heavyweights turning good-natured MA's into classmate-trashing hacks. "The MA is getting watered down. It's not combat lethal anymore...."

Well, duh. We don't fight battles daily, and those who do either have access to a time-travelling Delorian, or are getting paid by these "classmates who do the watering-down". **** that elitist ****.

Respect at the door, hands down.

And that's where ego's should be left, too.

[BM2]

I don't go to Bullshido because of that mindset. However I do believe that there are instructors that have MA schools that do not teach you how to fight and have children wearing black belts or brown belts. On the other hand, some don't even think of you as students until you have been there for a year or more and it is up to you to figure out the techniques from the forms and call it being spoon fed if you want them to show you MA techniques from the forms.
That is what they are being paid to do, not to have you pay to stroke their egos.
A good coach would look at you and tell what you need to work on and make suggestions.
A good coach realizes it is about the student and their development.
If you attend a school that is based on forms and health, there is nothing wrong with that. Don't be offended if someone tells you that it isn't a place to learn how to fight in real life situations because you don't drill techniques with a partner to be able to use them in sparring.

[MasterKiller]

BM2 has spoken to the burning bush and brought the correct down from the mountain.