shaolin-do and video comparisons to non-sd version

[oasis]

decided to start a new thread after leto's and sal's discussion of a form. with youtube video discussions and comparisons are fun and a lot easier, so i thought i'd put out a few links for sders to discuss more specifics. it should hopefully be interesting.

first, here are four roads of hua quan to view and compare to sd (not necessarily the performance but similarity/differences in technique and style)

road 1:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67acdZcvnHA

road 2:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LAH2Y...elated&search=

road 3:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DW7tU...elated&search=

and road 4:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rq3f_by1GJQ

has anyone studied sd's 'pick and play mantis'? if so, compare to this:
this is one road of zhai yao from praying mantis
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4S3PNzfTWg

enjoy

[Leto]

That is very very close to pick and play mantis I learned from master The. The first ten or fifteen moves are identical. a few things have different emphasis, and there's some different techniques that we don't have. But that is the form, without a doubt. If that is just one road of the form, then GM The only teaches one road of it.
I have heard that different styles of mantis have their own variation of this form. do you know what mantis school that video is from?

[tattooedmonk]

decided to start a new thread after leto's and sal's discussion of a form. with youtube video discussions and comparisons are fun and a lot easier, so i thought i'd put out a few links for sders to discuss more specifics. it should hopefully be interesting.

first, here are four roads of hua quan to view and compare to sd (not necessarily the performance but similarity/differences in technique and style)

road 1:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67acdZcvnHA

road 2:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LAH2Y...elated&search=

road 3:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DW7tU...elated&search=

and road 4:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rq3f_by1GJQ

has anyone studied sd's 'pick and play mantis'? if so, compare to this:
this is one road of zhai yao from praying mantis
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4S3PNzfTWg

enjoy

are these the SD versions??

[oasis]

not at all. those are clips from traditional hua quan, but i'm sure those who have learned sd hua will see some interesting similarities. i thought this thread can be a spot for people to discuss those forms they've tried to research and for which they've found similar versions from outside the system.

[oasis]

regarding zhao yao in the clip, i believe this is the seven star (qi xing) version. i've also seen the taiji mei hua version a while back and it was just as similar, but with the mei hua flavor. i think there are 3 or 4 roads. zhao yao means essentials.

[kwaichang]

All 4 are very similar to SD Hua and Mantis, The 3rd road especially. KC

[Judge Pen]

I can call off the hua move for move. A couple of stylistic differences. Like in the 2nd and 4th roads, we do not catch oursleves with our hands on the drop kicks. Things like that.

[Crushing Fist]

To me it kind of looked like he just didn't want to fall on the asphalt...



can't really blame him either


There are definite stylistic differences, but the forms are pretty much the same.

[Judge Pen]

To me it kind of looked like he just didn't want to fall on the asphalt...



can't really blame him either


There are definite stylistic differences, but the forms are pretty much the same.

Nah, the woman does it too. I will say that most of the techniques are done a bit more athletically in SD, but they do have nice stances.

[godzillakungfu]

Yeah, I'd have to agree with JP. Minor stylistic differences.

The pick and play is very close to what I learned from a Master over here on the west.

[Leto]

A five ancestors version of san zhan (san he chien)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yla9j0AangU

I think this is the closest version I've seen to the one taught in SD, so far.

the opening and closing attack sequences are different, but the stepping sequence hand techniques are identical (except he's doing it with fajing instead of the total dynamic tension that's taught in SD)

[Leto]

http://www.hsing-i.com/pa_kua/pbody.html

this isn't a video, but look at the form lyrics near the bottom of the page. Lung Hsin (Dragon Heart) Bagua form...the move names are very similar to Sd's, and the sections seem to be in the same order according to the walks (5th section spread wings, 7th section lion, 8th heavenly horse)

haven't been able to find any videos of a form by this name, though, wonder what it looks like.
Anyone else ever heard of the dragon heart bagua form?

The guy on the site sounds a little fishy from his bio. For all we know, the form he lists there could have been learned from SD and given a snazzy name.

[oasis]

i've always enjoyed this guy's take on applications, as can be seen in his chen applications demo clip:

http://www.hsing-i.com/pics/index.html

he demonstrates thorough understanding and skill in my opinion

[Judge Pen]

http://www.hsing-i.com/pa_kua/pbody.html

this isn't a video, but look at the form lyrics near the bottom of the page. Lung Hsin (Dragon Heart) Bagua form...the move names are very similar to Sd's, and the sections seem to be in the same order according to the walks (5th section spread wings, 7th section lion, 8th heavenly horse)

haven't been able to find any videos of a form by this name, though, wonder what it looks like.
Anyone else ever heard of the dragon heart bagua form?

The guy on the site sounds a little fishy from his bio. For all we know, the form he lists there could have been learned from SD and given a snazzy name.

Leto, do a search for "Jiang Ronqiao's Bagua zhang" or whatever variation of the romanization and you will find plenty of versions of SD's classical PaKua.

[Judge Pen]

A five ancestors version of san zhan (san he chien)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yla9j0AangU

I think this is the closest version I've seen to the one taught in SD, so far.

the opening and closing attack sequences are different, but the stepping sequence hand techniques are identical (except he's doing it with fajing instead of the total dynamic tension that's taught in SD)

Kewl hat and shades! Seriously, thanks for posting that. I've seen some vids of Okinawan karate and fujian white crane that were very similar to Sannjie chien as well.