what do you think of this set ?

[golden arhat]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7YRvrB0gHA
now sure the head movement is exaggerated
but if u changed that who else thinks this set is just as good if not better than most ????

[mantis108]

Unfortunately, this is yet another example of modern Wushu BS. I have a friend who does traditional Fanzi from Beijing with a verifiable lineage. It's nothing like this carp.

Being fast or moving fast in Fanzi isn't about frailing around like a mad person. This is just a dance and an insult to the traditional stuff.

Mantis108

[mantis108]

This would be more like the traditional styles (not the same but ...) that I am talking about:

Chuo Jiao Fanzi

Mantis108

[PangQuan]

how many of her strikes do you think would bounce off you?

im betting most if not all

[Shaolinlueb]

she was a championship fanzi boxer for modern wushu. as for it resembling traditional i have never seen traditional fanzi, most of them dont represent it. even the mantis . er the long fist used to a bit.

edit
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vkf04dnaLvE does this resembel the real toad kung fu?

[PangQuan]

This would be more like the traditional styles (not the same but ...) that I am talking about:

Chuo Jiao Fanzi

Mantis108

nice, i like i like

[golden arhat]

This would be more like the traditional styles (not the same but ...) that I am talking about:

Chuo Jiao Fanzi

Mantis108

thats got a bit of a wushu thing goin on there
even a break dance step or 2

have u seen the 4 or 5 long chuo jiao vids i posted on the sticky
INSANE! lol
take a look
as for the girl u gotta admire her speed no and i saw some legitamate strikes in there aswell
done slower and without the whole head whipping thing
what then ?

[mantis108]

I am sorry, Wushu Champion means d!ck all to me. Anybody can be a wushu champion as long as he or she has a good report with the judges panel or well connected in the community. The thing with this so called Fanzi boxing "champion" is that if you take away her supposed speed and agility, which is not that great or impressive either, she has nothing left in her form. Nothing in her form, especially the way she does it, can translate into real technique let alone allowing her do fajing and strike properly.

Wushu Champion, a dime a dozen, big freak'n deal. (sorry if I offended anyone but that's just the honest truth).

Mantis108

[Ravenshaw]

In what sense do you mean that this set is "better than most?" Where is this value judgment coming from?

[golden arhat]

speed wise intent wise

i see a whole load of forms (southern sets especcially) where performeers just go through the motions and never really put anything that i coulod see working in there

[mantis108]

thats got a bit of a wushu thing goin on there
even a break dance step or 2

have u seen the 4 or 5 long chuo jiao vids i posted on the sticky
INSANE! lol
take a look
as for the girl u gotta admire her speed no and i saw some legitamate strikes in there aswell
done slower and without the whole head whipping thing
what then ?

Well, if you feel subjectively positive about wushu BS is going to help to attain high level of CMA, by all means it's your right.

As for break dancing move, I suppose you are talking about the 0.08 s into the clip. But check out this 8 years old kid doing MMA. Look at how he does the same kick from the ground as he pops up from a defensive ground position.


8 Years only MMA clip

The kid might not be a fast as the Fanzi champion but I would put my house on the kid that he would mop the floor with the lady in a fight any day.

At the end of the day, don't get all hype up by the modern Wushu champion bu ll Sh!t. My take is keep things real.

Regards

Mantis108

[Shaolinlueb]

Well, if you feel subjectively positive about wushu BS is going to help to attain high level of CMA, by all means it's your right.

As for break dancing move, I suppose you are talking about the 0.08 s into the clip. But check out this 8 years old kid doing MMA. Look at how he does the same kick from the ground as he pops up from a defensive ground position.


8 Years only MMA clip

The kid might not be a fast as the Fanzi champion but I would put my house on the kid that he would mop the floor with the lady in a fight any day.

At the end of the day, don't get all hype up by the modern Wushu champion bu ll Sh!t. My take is keep things real.

Regards

Mantis108

8 yr old vs fanzi champ. lets see it.

[Ravenshaw]

speed wise intent wise

So it's the performance you're referring to rather than the choreography? Fair enough. I'd agree that her performance is very good. What's the purpose of pointing that out?

[YouKnowWho]

The value of the forms is for "teaching" and "learning" only, it's not for "practicing" and "pleasing the judges and audience".

[Chan Da-Wei]

I have seen a lot of contemporary wushu and each time I see it, I appreciate it for what it is. Gymnastics with just a hint of martial like movements and postures. I note that the martial-moves seem to reduce each year. I always admire their athleticism, agility and co-ordination. Has pretty much nothing in common with my Kung Fu however.

I was at the Wong Fei Hong/ Yim Man memorial in Fatsan in January and noticed they now have a lion dance and martial art demonstration. Being a Hung Gar guy, I was dead keen to see some Gung Gi, Fu Hok etc.

Disappointed is an understatement. These guys busted out some modern wushu form, akin to this woman's demo. Heck, their wushu was not even that good. We'd just come from Tianjin Chin Woo and seen some absolutely amazing Wushu.

Of all places to see modern wushu, the Wong Fei Hong memorial museum.

Disappointed, my sifu, sibak and I approached the guys after they had finished to see if they actually knew any Hung Gar. None whatsoever. Told us that the visitors don't appreciate it as much as modern wushu. Hang on....most visitors know who WFH was, are probably there cause of the WFH connection and that he was a Hung Gar master....would they not want to see Hung Gar instead of modern wushu.

I am still livered at this however there is a happy ending to this tale. Turns out that their Si Hing did know some Hung Gar stuff and he was nice enough to come out of the 'office' and demo for us. He was pretty sharp too.