Hi Jim
"Cool. Then you will understand why anyone who holds this attitude towards the Internal practices/discussions will not be able to accept what they consider off and not state their belief. In the end we dont have to agree but as with all discussions their will be a pouint where both parties agree and disagree. JR "
+++Yes i understand. As someone who has spent 29 years believing in and practising the Esoteric Science in one form or another, i dont accept many false statements i hear, hence i have posted. Many make statments with 1 or 2 years of study, and because of ego, think they understand "Everything". This is one of the biggest traps, and its at this time, the diamond sutra must be cast into the fire, and progres needs to be from experiance and training correcty.
"Who cares what one person on the internet says if you are happy? There are Millions of Kung Fu people in the world. We have here maybe a 6-8 chit chatting regularly in this topic. Does the rant of one person mean anything other than what it is? One persons rant? BFD IMO Jr"
+++In general i dont. But slander is a nasty beast, that can destroy, years of work developing friendships, in the research sence. I dont have to sit back and accept someones slander. And most need to learn the lesson, if your shift is filthy, dont bother looking at the a fleck of dirt on mine.
Anyone can do what they want with what they aquire in life. People share how they want and how they feel it will "benefit" the general reader. JR
+++Yes, and of cource convenietly they leave out ~MOst~ of the truth, and only focus on the parts that make them look good. And IMO, it rarly benefits anyone but their ego and self supporting their illusions.
You asked for a list of Kung Fu arts that cultivate the Noi and I gave you a list proving that its normal. You never asked for a Spiritual tradition list. Thats just rambling when a quesiton has been answered.
+++No, i didnt ask for ANY list. You are calling Noi gung the true alchemy system, from what i am understanding of your posts. I am saying its not, and only the spiritual traditions contain the true Alchemy/resurection system.
My statement was clear. Almost no true/complete system of alchemy/resurection is found within any MA. There are a few systems of alchemy that contain the entire system and a MA platform, and they are really really rare, and i already mentioned 3 of them.
So my statement was simply expressing this, and you seem to doubt what im saying, and gave me a tiny list of MA systems that supposedly have the true esoteric docrine/resurection/alchemy method, which, according to almost every ancient world tradition, isnt a correct speculation. But you are allowed your POV and Opinion, and i would never think to tell you otherwise
You can get this list from any good Masonic book. I can send you to the places/Sifu's in the Kung Fu system list I provided that will teach you the stuff I am talking about.
+++I warned you about using masonic literature, as it is degraded information. And only has a small fragment of the symbolism interpretation system. The core teachings are lost.
But would you send someone you dont know, to a teacher to learn anything? Teachers (of esoteric and internal studies) are for those who want to complete serious study. Would you send window shoppers to a teacher and waste everyones time? When the window shopper can learn from books, deciede what direction they want to go, and than search out a teacher to help them walk the path.
Where are the schools and teachers of the list you provided producing todays alchemists? Example: In the US there are only a handful of Gnostic Churches. Are they really teaching Alchemy? Yi Chuan, Jook Lum and many other Kung Fu systems have a proven track record of this stuff proving my point.
+++Yi chuan and othe Kung fu systems do not have any track record of preserving the true Alchemy/resurection/esoteric docrine, plain and simple, proving my point, and that point is - Internal Kung Fu has a fragment of the whole of the system. And their is no mumbo jumo, or mysticism involved with what i am talking about. Its a science. Using the internet or phonebook, imo , wont lead you to the inner teachings anymore than it would lead you to inner door WCK.
Where are the school and teachers? Not in the public eye or in the eye of the profane. They are not their for "Window shoppers" or knowledge gatherers. But with your few years of training im sure you are aware of that.
I'm not as lucky as you. I have I have not studied this stuff much but researched it a bit. Found many parallels and would love to learn more. Can you tell me who or where I can go to learn more? No need to list them all but a few would be cool. How about Hermetics or Druid practices?
+++Karma brings those what one deserves. I have always searcher for the truth. Again, im sure you understand, more than anyone, no one is just going to let someone drill them for questions, or entertain casual seekers. We are not talking about public available teachings. If you are simply looking to learn more, buy a book. Thats the only way, as no initiate will teach a non initiate anything but basic basic things.
If your willing to commit yourself into practise, serious practise and study, and you are at the point where you are willing to be "Screened" for moral fiber and Intent, we can meet, and i will direct you to someone in Ohio, for Druidism. You would have to commit to being an initiate though and its not something done lightly.
Hermetics is a very very hard system to find in its pure form, more so than most. Most groups that purport to be "Hermetics" have degraded the system, with mystisim, and turned it into a Mystical Lodge of sorts. You wont find, to my knowledge many legitamate hermetic systems in the USA. You will find individuals, who have pieced it together, as some try to do with Emie, from the ancient writtings, and practise on their own. or learn systems that are more complete and than use that to help open up the Hermetic system for themselves, as others use Tai Chi to open up internal methods in WCK, for example.
Same for Pythagorian method. Great system. But almost extinct. Most of the systems are not 100% complete, for example Judaic Kabala is a very full system, yet it lacks the grounding, rooting, and settleing methods on the physical plane, that say Taoism has. But Taoism is lacking parts of the Alpha numeric coding system. See? Its not easy study.
There are only so many things you can do with the human body. Maybe you get a better idea as to why there guys are called:
Warriors Of Stillness
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i thought they were lazy~! 
"I watch him hoping and jumping around like a tiger, while i am calm and entertained"
Your jumping all over the place! hahaha Interesting POV
+++Right, i had to address several things. and to save bandwidth stuck it all together. But everything is extremly clear in what i wrote, and why the info is linked together. Its not just my POV, its the POV of many many initiats, from many differant systems, from many differant cultures, who share the exact same system, that has been passed down since pre flood. Its the Op system of the Human organizm. Simply playing with Noi Gung isnt going to achieve learning, activating and delveloping resurection nor the entire system that supports it, and also contains and tranmits the entire history of the human organizm.
Keep learning though, and good luck in your journey.
And you wonder why the word Speculation comes up from time to time.
+++Yep, thats why i posted. Alot of speculation going on. And we are protective ,over the things, we love and spend 20-30 years i-n study and practise of.
ROFLOL
+++??Whats funny?
Your train YKS system.
Grandmaster Yuen Kay-San’s early written notes is: “Sum Jing Hei Cheung Lao - quiet the heart and conserve the Chi/Breath.”
Everyone knows about the Wai aspects of tendon/sinew/etc training. Your better off trying to crack this Kuit Code.
+++Actually i have found, MOSt dont know about the Yik Gang training, as its lost to many branchs of WCK, and many who study branchs, that have Yik gang, are not even taught it.
But thanks for sharing the YKS info!! I appreicate it. And will seriously consider that Kuit. But does it have the character for "Chi" or "Hei" ? My understanding is Breath work isnt part of Kulo/YKS Noi Gung, or am i mistaken?
And if you are ever interested in meeting and you are ready to commit to a serious study of Resurection Skill/Alchemy, i would be more than happy to facilitate you meeting someone localy. I might have trouble finding you someone in Boston though. But if you are willing to travel to Michigan, Ohio, or perhaps NYC, i can help.
Im short on time, due to project demands, so i will be gone for a bit. Any more info on Noi gung and WCK will be enjoyed. Good luck Jim!!
Sincerly
Brian
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Hi Eric,
Originally Posted by mantis108
