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    At least 32 Dead at Virginia Tech

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    At least 32 dead in Virginia shooting rampage
    Mon Apr 16, 2007 3:38 PM ET

    By Brendan Bush

    BLACKSBURG, Virginia (Reuters) - At least 32 people were killed and more than two dozen wounded at Virginia Tech university on Monday in the deadliest campus shooting in U.S. history, media said.

    Fox News, CNN and the student-run university newspaper gave the death toll as 32. Officials earlier said at least 22 people were killed.

    The rampage by what police believed was a lone gunman took place in two separate areas, first at a dormitory as students had begun criss-crossing the sprawling campus for morning classes, and then about two hours later at an engineering and science hall a half-mile away.

    The attacks sparked panic and chaos.

    Witnesses told CNN that some students were hurt jumping out the windows of the classroom building to escape the gunfire.

    "This is a tragedy of monumental proportions," Virginia Tech president Charles Steger told reporters.

    Virginia Tech campus police chief Wendell Finchum said the suspected gunman was dead and that police were trying to determine whether he killed himself or was shot by officers.

    "At this time we believe it's only one gunman," said Finchum. Officials did not have a motive for the attack and did not immediately know if the gunman was a student.

    Students told CNN there were multiple bomb threats to the campus in the last few weeks. Two of the threats were aimed at the university's science and engineering school.

    A U.S. Department of Homeland Security spokesman said there was no indication of terrorism but that it would be part of the investigation.

    President George W. Bush was "horrified" by the shooting, White House spokeswoman Dana Perino said.

    "He was horrified and his immediate reaction was one of deep concern for the families of the victims, the victims themselves, the students, the professors and all of the people of Virginia who have dealt with this shocking incident," she said.

    A student journalist's video of the chaos was replayed repeatedly on U.S. television networks, showing people scurrying around the campus and volleys of shots ringing out.

    The death toll was worse than a massacre at the University of Texas in Austin on August 1, 1966, when Charles Whitman, a 25-year-old student, killed 13 people and wounded 31 in a 90-minute spree. Whitman had killed his mother and wife the night before.

    TWO HOURS BETWEEN ATTACKS

    The first shooting at Virginia Tech, a state university, was reported to campus police at about 7:15 a.m. (1115 GMT) in West Ambler Johnston Hall, a dormitory housing some 900 students.

    It was followed by more shooting at Norris Hall, site of the science and engineering school that has given the university much of its fame as a leading technical institute in the United States.

    During the two hours after the first shooting some students had ventured out again. University police were investigating the first shooting at the dormitory when they got word of gunfire at the classroom building.

    Student Justin Merrifield told Reuters he was outside West Ambler dormitory at 9 a.m. when he saw police and a crying student but did not realize the magnitude of the crisis until he arrived at his 10 a.m. class.

    Merrifield said students were alerted by campus loudspeakers.

    "There was a voice that just kept repeating, 'Gunman on campus, stay indoors, get away from windows,' over and over, basically," said Merrifield.

    One student criticized how university officials reacted after the first shooting.

    "I'm pretty outraged that someone died in a shooting in a dorm at 7 O'clock in the morning and the first e-mail about it had no mention of locking down the campus, no mention of canceling classes," Jason Piatt told CNN.

    "They just mentioned that they were investigating a shooting," he said.

    "That's pretty ridiculous. Meanwhile, while they sent out that e-mail, 21 people got killed."

    The shooting was bound to revive debate in the United States about gun violence.

    "We live in a society where guns are pretty well accepted," said Jim Sollo, of Virginians Against Handgun Violence. "There are 200 million guns in this society and obviously some in the wrong hands."

    Virginia Tech, with 26,000 students, is located in the town of Blacksburg and set in lush rolling hills in the southwest corner of the state, about 240 miles from Washington.

    Classes were canceled for Monday and Tuesday and counselors were being brought in to talk to the students.

    U.S. News & World Report, which produces well-regarded annual ratings of U.S. universities, ranked Virginia Tech's College of Engineering 17th for an engineering school in the United States.

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    (Additional reporting by Peter Szekely, John O'Callaghan, Sandra Maler, David Storey and David Wiessler)

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    Yeah, this is horrible. I watched it unfold on Fox.

    Worst case of mass shooting in U.S. history. I wonder what backstory this nut will have.

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    Whatever ... meantime over 40,000 people a year die in car wrecks in the U.S. and something like 2 million around the world. That's over 100 a day in the U.S. and over 5000 a day around the world.

    This isn't really newsworthy.

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    Wow.

    Quote Originally Posted by neilhytholt View Post
    Whatever ... meantime over 40,000 people a year die in car wrecks in the U.S. and something like 2 million around the world. That's over 100 a day in the U.S. and over 5000 a day around the world.

    This isn't really newsworthy.
    Not newsworthy? Maybe I'm just upset because I'm a college kid in Virginia who knew A LOT of people who went to V. Tech. but how is this not news worthy? These were young people in school. We would like to hope that our schools are safe. Yes, many people die everyday, but when blood is spilled on our own soil, on such a massive scale, and it's young people? Yeah, it's worthy of news.

    My heart goes out to the young children the world over who die each day from poor nutrition and disease, but this too is important.

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    Oh, and car wrecks?

    We know there is a chance of danger while riding a car. It's reasonable. We should be safe in schools. And whether or not you think we are, it should be that way. Not so with something like a car crash. How can you even compare the two?

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    cold blooded murder is different than an accidental automobile wreck resulting in death.

    even children can comprehend this. its quite basic really.

    of course, no one blames Neil for having the capasity of understanding up to par with that of a small child....

    i would mourn for the loss of a loved one the same were it a car wreck or fatal shooting out of the blue.

    but my reaction to the cause of death would differ greatly.
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    I wonder if Cheney will try and blame this on Saddam some how.

    In any case I understand it was an Asian guy so I'm sure that will fuel the immigration fire with these conservative nuts. God help us all if he had been a Mexican.

    Anyway the conservatives should be happy this guy got his 2nd amendant rights!

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    Would be just another day in the life in Iraq...How would you like to live with that fear EVERY DAY?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SaintSage View Post
    Not newsworthy? Maybe I'm just upset because I'm a college kid in Virginia who knew A LOT of people who went to V. Tech. but how is this not news worthy? These were young people in school. We would like to hope that our schools are safe. Yes, many people die everyday, but when blood is spilled on our own soil, on such a massive scale, and it's young people? Yeah, it's worthy of news.

    My heart goes out to the young children the world over who die each day from poor nutrition and disease, but this too is important.
    Whatever ... today over 100 people in the U.S. died in car accidents. And tomorrow another 100. And the next day another 100.

    Yet, they are making a stink about 28 people dying in VA.

    100 people dying a day seems a lot more important.

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    See my previous post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by neilhytholt View Post
    Whatever ... meantime over 40,000 people a year die in car wrecks in the U.S. and something like 2 million around the world. That's over 100 a day in the U.S. and over 5000 a day around the world.

    This isn't really newsworthy.

    What the f@*% is your problem man? Innocent peoples' lives were taken for no reason (not that there ever really is a legitimate reason in these things). That alone is worthy of our readership and discussion.

    I could go on, but I won't for fear of actually drop-kicking some sense into that Neanderthal mentality of yours.



    They deserve our respect, the families deserve our condolences and our wishes that those who lost their lives may hopefully RIP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tug View Post
    What the f@*% is your problem man? Innocent peoples' lives were taken for no reason (not that there ever really is a legitimate reason in these things). That alone is worthy of our readership and discussion.

    I could go on, but I won't for fear of actually drop-kicking some sense into that Neanderthal mentality of yours.



    They deserve our respect, the families deserve our condolences and our wishes that those who lost their lives may hopefully RIP.

    TuG.
    They don't deserve crap.

    What I'm pointing out here is that CNN has a HUGE spread about this tragedy.

    Okay, and then they have ONE LINE, about the 18,000 children who die every day in Africa of starvation and disease.

    ONE FRICKING LINE about 18,000 KIDS DYING EVERY DAY yet all anybody is talking about is these people in VA.

    Well, I'm sorry, but that shows an extreme lack of priorities.

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    You have to understand that news right here at home, is going to get a lot more press than news on the other side of the world?!?! You also have to know that news is a business more than it is a source of what's going on in the world...

    If that's your problem/beef, then blame the media, but don't say that 32 people losing their lives is nothing or meaningless compared to others dying across the world! I'm sure if any of those 32 were your family you wouldn't be saying their deaths were not important or news worthy!


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    Quote Originally Posted by neilhytholt View Post
    They don't deserve crap.

    What I'm pointing out here is that CNN has a HUGE spread about this tragedy.

    Okay, and then they have ONE LINE, about the 18,000 children who die every day in Africa of starvation and disease.

    ONE FRICKING LINE about 18,000 KIDS DYING EVERY DAY yet all anybody is talking about is these people in VA.

    Well, I'm sorry, but that shows an extreme lack of priorities.
    This is not an invalid point (except for the "they don't deserve crap" part), but this thread was originally intended for what happened today. Your hijacking of said thread shows an extreme lack of respect for those who died.

    If you want to be known as an activist, why not start your own thread on topics you feel strongly enough about to speak on?
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    I can't believe you people are feeding into this inbred dipstick, this kid spends his whole day trying to find ways to get some sort of response from anyone.

    One day he is conservative, the another day he loves the children in Africa and is ultra liberal It's all a bs game played by some fat yankcranker sitting in his mom's basement with nothing going on but KFMO.

    DON'T TAKE THIS TROLL SERIOUS. DON'T FALL FOR IT PEOPLE

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