Climate Gate Cleared

[SanHeChuan]

UK lawmakers take heat off 'Climategate' scientist

The UK scientist at the center of the "Climategate" controversy over leaked e-mails has been cleared of hiding or manipulating data by a parliamentary committee.

Now is 1bad65 going to claim conspiracy?

[Drake]

The guy never actually lied. He was overzealous and said things he shouldn't have. But who expects their private e-mails to make headlines?

[1bad65]

Now is 1bad65 going to claim conspiracy?

Nope. It's not exactly a surprise. The UK is a huge nanny state, and socialists are using the environment to pass anti-business/anti-freedom laws.

[SanHeChuan]

Nope.

So you agree with the committee findings that they in fact did not manipulate their data to create false evidence for climate change?

[Drake]

Nope. It's not exactly a surprise. The UK is a huge nanny state, and socialists are using the environment to pass anti-business/anti-freedom laws.

Anti-freedom? COME ON. Seriously. COME ON. That's about as bad as the line that the terrorists hate our freedom. They hate US for a number of completely insane reasons, but not freedom.

[David Jamieson]

Most of us typing away on our keyboards wouldn't know freedom if it walked up and punched us in the nutsack.

People glued to the internet, or their tv are not free.
People paying taxes for services they never receive are not free.
People paying fines for stopping a car where it obstructs no one and nothing but a sign says no, are not free.
People who let oped opinions decide their political views and motivations are not free.

and so on and so forth, you with me here?

I think it behooves people to understand that at the very core of the matter, we are not free no matter where we go.

we are always in service to someone or something other.

we do not make our own food or find our own water, we rely so much on the extrinsic to even think for a moment that one is "free" is the height of absurdity.

[1bad65]

So you agree with the committee findings that they in fact did not manipulate their data to create false evidence for climate change?

Of course not. But I have the ability to read and comprehend e-mails. Apparently the people on this committee do not.

BTW, do you know who was on this committee? Were they elected officials? What Party(s) do they belong to?

[1bad65]

Anti-freedom? COME ON. Seriously. COME ON. That's about as bad as the line that the terrorists hate our freedom. They hate US for a number of completely insane reasons, but not freedom.

They despise our freedom of religion, for one. They expect everyone to believe as they do, or they kill you. They pass laws on this, while we do not.

[David Jamieson]

They despise our freedom of religion, for one. They expect everyone to believe as they do, or they kill you. They pass laws on this, while we do not.

Who does this?

Who is this "they" you speak of?

[SanHeChuan]

BTW, do you know who was on this committee? Were they elected officials? What Party(s) do they belong to?

Phil Willis MP, (Chair) Liberal Democrat
Dr Roberta Blackman-Woods MP Labour
Tim Boswell MP Conservative
Ian Cawsey MP Labour
Nadine Dorries MP Conservative
Dr Evan Harris MP Liberal Democrat
Dr Brian Iddon MP Labour
Gordon Marsden MP Labour
Dr Doug Naysmith MP Labour
Bob Spink MP Independent
Ian Stewart MP Labour
Graham Stringer MP Labour
Dr Desmond Turner MP Labour
Rob Wilson MP Conservative

But I have the ability to read and comprehend e-mails.

Questionable, tell me exatly what was the "Trick" used and what did it acomplish? What was the data thrown out and why? Details please.

[David Jamieson]

wasn't so much a trick as it was inclusion of x with exclusion of y and using primarily 1 source to make the arguments.

see here: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...organised.html

This, in and of itself is quite interesting.

I think this is all gonna pan out into yet another ditch effort at having everyone believe in global warming without all the ballyhoo and fighting about it.

By the end of summer, which will be a drought filled scorcher for many because that is the cycle we are in, you will have people in their 3rd week of hotbox madness who will now be convinced that global warming is happening because we are suffering from drought and heat unlike anything since the great depression...or the great drought of 800AD! and so on.

I think we need to stop polluting so much and we need to put a lot of harnesses on our industry that is gonna shake some capitalists up real bad.

that's the kicker isn't it? getting everyone else to pay for big business and government failure.

government could legislate now for reductions in emissions and could enact laws that would force industry to comply and use technologies to reduce waste and pollution now.

but they don't. And it is strictly because of short term political gain fr the politicians and long term monetary gain without responsibility to te environment for the corporations.

right now in Canada, we have a prime minister who is doing exactly NOTHING about a horrible environmental disaster that is taking place in Alberta at the oil sands.

A whole country is turning a blind eye to the damage it is causing in the name of industry and the dollar. Truly, I am ashamed by this as a Canadian and am less than impressed by my government's failing in this regard.

[1bad65]

Who does this?

Who is this "they" you speak of?

Read up on 'Sharia' laws.

[1bad65]

So we have 10 liberals including the Chair, 3 Conservatives, and an independant. Sounds balanced to me.

Questionable, tell me exatly what was the "Trick" used and what did it acomplish? What was the data thrown out and why? Details please.

I posted at least one other e-mail that spoke of how to get conflicting data thrown out. I notice you left that one alone...

[1bad65]

David, you do realize all of these ridiculous "Green" laws raise consumer prices, cost jobs, and increase regulation, right?

[David Jamieson]

David, you do realize all of these ridiculous "Green" laws raise consumer prices, cost jobs, and increase regulation, right?

Yes and I am all for it.

I want to see industry regulated and held accountable for it's doings, especially when they are using natural resources and affecting natural resources.

they should be responsible for application of pollution control systems and if they can't then they shouldn't run the part of the industry that is killing the environment period.

jobs that cost humanity in the long run are not jobs worth having around in the short term,

companies have shown, as people have shown, that they require regulation to not be the dirty cheap cheating dogs that they will be if left to their own devices. Only named people can be accountable. Corporations almost never are.

It is stupid to blindly trust the fox to guard the hen house. we are all responsible for the future generations and we must hold polluters accountable now and force those behaviour changes or your grandkids ill live in an even bleaker place than we do now with heart disease and cancers and hundred of toxic substances that weren't in existence 100 years ago changing us at a genetic level that may not be reversible and may be the demise of us all.

But hey, if it' cutting into that hotrod and fat steak you're chewing on, then let them burn right?

come on, you can't possibly be that short sighted.