So who are You Training?

[Black Jack II]

This has a lot to do with the specific religon. Show me anyplace in the world where Islam has power that you would want to honestly live in. Talk about a dysfunctional belief system built on strife and murder, almost anywhere it settles, from the Islamic ghettoes of Europe to the racism of the Islamic black American community, to its own very own birthplace, it is so flawed with violence anyone but the whiney apologetics can see how broke down it is.

[Sang Feng Fan]

Your points are mostly invalid although slightly long winded. I find them odd.

You 're inability to answer or deal with a single one give me the clear win.

In the future when you post lies about the USA, please take the time to back them up, otherwise you will continue to look like some ignorant guy from the backwoods of Canada.

[Black Jack II]

In the future when you post lies about the USA, please take the time to back them up,

He never has backed anything up so far, what's to make him start now. heh.

[Mas Judt]

For the poor chap who did not beleive me about Sweden, I suggest you visit Malmo. (And for the record, I never said Britain had a Muslim majority city.)

Sweden is one of the worst hit countries in Europe of Muslim immigration and Political Correctness. Now, the police themselves have publicly admitted that they no longer control one of Sweden's major cities. I have made some exclusive translations from Swedish media. They show the future of Eurabia unless Europeans wake up.

I’ve seen the future of Eurabia, and it’s called 'Sweden.' Malmø is Sweden’s third largest city, after Stockholm and Gothenburg. Once-peaceful Sweden, home of ABBA, IKEA and the Nobel Prize, is increasingly looking like the Middle East on a bad day.

All following links to major Swedish newspapers, with a brief translation:

http://www.aftonbladet.se/vss/nyhete...529910,00.html

Malmø, Sweden. The police now publicly admit what many Scandinavians have known for a long time: They no longer control the situation in the nations's third largest city. It is effectively ruled by violent gangs of Muslim immigrants. Some of the Muslims have lived in the area of Rosengård, Malmø, for twenty years, and still don't know how to read or write Swedish. Ambulance personnel are attacked by stones or weapons, and refuse to help anybody in the area without police escort. The immigrants also spit at them when they come to help. Recently, an Albanian youth was stabbed by an Arab, and was left bleeding to death on the ground while the ambulance waited for the police to arrive. The police themselves hesitate to enter parts of their own city unless they have several patrols, and need to have guards to watch their cars, otherwise they will be vandalized. "Something drastic has to be done, or much more blood will be spilled" says one of the locals.

http://w1.sydsvenskan.se//Article.jsp?article=10092861

The number of people emigrating from the city of Malmø is reaching record levels. Swedes, who a couple of decades ago decided to open the doors to Muslim "refugees" and asylum seekers, are now turned into refugees in their own country and forced to flee their homes. The people abandoning the city mention crime and fear of the safety of their children as the main reason for leaving.

http://w1.sydsvenskan.se/Article.jsp?article=10090830

ALL of the 600 windows at one of the schools in Malmø have been broken during the summer holiday. Window smashing alone costs the city millions every year. City buses have been forced to avoid the immigrant ghetto, as they are met with youths throwing rocks or bottles at them if they enter. Earlier this year, a boy of Afghan origin had made plans to blow up his own school.

http://w1.sydsvenskan.se//Article.jsp?article=10093267

People working at the emergency ward at the major hospital in Malmø receive threats every day, and are starting to get used to it. Patients with knives or guns are commonplace. They have discussed having metal detectors at the emergency entrance, but some fear this could be seen as a provocation.

http://w1.sydsvenskan.se//Article.jsp?article=10093495

Lisa Nilsson has lived in Manhatten, New York City, for 25 years. After moving back to Malmø, Sweden, she now misses the safety of New York. She never walks anywhere in Malmø after dark, but takes a taxi everywhere she goes.

http://www.expressen.se/index.jsp?a=180423

Rapes in Sweden as a whole have increased by 17% just since the beginning of 2003, and have had a dramatic increase during the past decade. Gang rapes, usually involving Muslim immigrant males and native Swedish girls, have become commonplace. Two weeks ago, 5 Kurds brutally raped a 13-year-old Swedish girl.

http://www.aftonbladet.se/vss/nyhete...528363,00.html

22-year-old Swedish woman going out for fresh air gang raped by three strange men. The only said one word to her: "*****!"


Oh my gosh, that's shocking. Surely it must be the Swedes fault, not the poor hapless Muslims....

Give me a break. The evidence is overwhelming, and the problem is that the actual teachings of Islam contradict wildly with the 'tolerant' version we are fed by apologists. The weekly body count of murders and wars waged in the name of Islam is staggering. This is a tremendous crisis - look at Darfur - the rape, murder and enslavement of Christian and pagan Africans - all in the name of Allah, and supported by the scripture of the Q'uran.

This is evil. But to call it evil is to have them turn thier evil on you. Who wa it that said: All it takes for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing. ?

[Mas Judt]

Authors note: This was pulled from a blog -- I forgot the quote marks. It was Dhimmiwatch.org, I beleive.

[Black Jack II]

I believe its Burke’s Triumph of Evil quote.

I may have this wrong, but did China ban all muslim immigration at some recent point, I will have to google that.

From just a few years ago. If people don't really think some consider this to be a religous based program of hate.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,173913,00.html

[laugarkuen]

Who wa it that said: All it takes for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing. ?

Edmund Burke

Why would you say something so slanderous?

Because I do not live in fear of a good smiting or thunderbolt

Excuse me for disagreeing,

Granted

but God inspired the authors of the Bible to write His Story. Get it? History.

If it is indeed a god's story then I am sure that its forgiveness will extend to a comment in passing referring to a British comedy

Why can't you respect others' opinions? Clearly, what you have said is wrong, libelous, and meant to hurt the feelings of others who are better informed than yourself on this subject.

I do respect others opinions but will not hold my tongue for fear of upstting someone who is so weak-minded that they cannot take a comment on a forum.

If it is wrong, correct me.

If it is libelous then have a chat with god and let him know that I am willing for him to pop round and take me to court. Providing that it is god and not some opiate spreader who claims to represent him.

If I have hurt the fealings of those better informed than me then they will know I am wrong and surely seek to enlighten me rather than getting all huffy like a schoolgirl.

[charp choi]

[QUOTE=Mas Judt;758593]For the poor chap who did not beleive me about Sweden, I suggest you visit Malmo.

I will, next time I am there! (September)


(And for the record, I never said Britain had a Muslim majority city.)

Ok, I misread your post


Have you been there, btw?

What is the solution then?

[charp choi]

I believe its Burke’s Triumph of Evil quote.

I may have this wrong, but did China ban all muslim immigration at some recent point, I will have to google that.

From just a few years ago. If people don't really think some consider this to be a religous based program of hate.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,173913,00.html

Wooo Hooo!!!!

Ha, ha, ha, Ha, ha, ha, I love it when people use Fox news as a reliable source!!

[Black Jack II]

LMAO,

I love it when people get all crazy when someone brings up Fox's news.

Get real,stop taking the anti-Fox kooaid. Its a news story, take your pick where you want it to come from.

[charp choi]

Edmund Burke




Because I do not live in fear of a good smiting or thunderbolt


Granted


If it is indeed a god's story then I am sure that its forgiveness will extend to a comment in passing referring to a British comedy


I do respect others opinions but will not hold my tongue for fear of upstting someone who is so weak-minded that they cannot take a comment on a forum.

If it is wrong, correct me.

If it is libelous then have a chat with god and let him know that I am willing for him to pop round and take me to court. Providing that it is god and not some opiate spreader who claims to represent him.

If I have hurt the fealings of those better informed than me then they will know I am wrong and surely seek to enlighten me rather than getting all huffy like a schoolgirl.

Great Post!

[David Jamieson]

scott, your posts are long winded and serve only to obfuscate the point i was making.

i will simplify and remove odds for your benefit and understanding seeing as you intend to be quite anal about it.

to put it simply, any american has a better chance at getting ghosted by another american than by a terrorist from the middle east.

does that help? because according to stats of crime, particularly murder in the usa v soldiers or even civ americans killed by arab terrorists, you folks are doing a fine job of murdering yourselves and a lot of other people.

it is difficult to accept, but there you have it.

as an aside, I haven't changed my p.o.v opr my opinion on the bush admin from day 1.

I certainly don't feel bad about it. the us made a huge mistake in letting him take power. The regrets are many and the rewards are few.

[Scott R. Brown]

David,

There is no obfuscation in my posts, you were unclear in making your point and your two clarifications remain unclear. An American has less of a chance to get ghosted in America than an American has of getting ghosted in Iraq. That is my point and it appeared to me that the opposite was your point. It seems now your point is that an American is more likely to get ghosted by an American in America than to be ghosted by a terrorist in America. At least that is was I have extracted from your still unclear statements. Regardless, your point is still foolish.

I still wash my hands before I eat even though it is unlikely I will get sick if I do not wash them. This is because the consequences of getting sick “could” be greater than the neglect makes apparent. We can ignore terrorist threats and just allow 3,000 American lives to be killed periodically for the sake of not hurting others, but ignoring attacks encourages further attacks until a small wound becomes a festering infection that risks our survival. Bin Laden has already stated that the reason they felt comfortable attacking America is because of the wussy behavior of Clinton in Somalia. Apparently people like you would rather have random innocent Americans die than risk the lives of trained soldiers trying to bring order to a chaotic situation!

My posts are long, but NOT long-winded. They have a clear point supported by rational argument and illustrations. If you had learned to think more clearly you would recognize this.

The fact you haven’t changed your opinion on the Bush Administration demonstrates a closed/simple mind not a certainty of the correctness of your opinion. I respect your right to be wrong and I as well as others are willing to fight for your right to ignorance.

[David Jamieson]

David,

There is no obfuscation in my posts, you were unclear in making your point and your two clarifications remain unclear. An American has less of a chance to get ghosted in America than an American has of getting ghosted in Iraq. That is my point and it appeared to me that the opposite was your point. It seems now your point is that an American is more likely to get ghosted by an American in America than to be ghosted by a terrorist in America. At least that is was I have extracted from your still unclear statements. Regardless, your point is still foolish.

I still wash my hands before I eat even though it is unlikely I will get sick if I do not wash them. This is because the consequences of getting sick “could” be greater than the neglect makes apparent. We can ignore terrorist threats and just allow 3,000 American lives to be killed periodically for the sake of not hurting others, but ignoring attacks encourages further attacks until a small wound becomes a festering infection that risks our survival. Bin Laden has already stated that the reason they felt comfortable attacking America is because of the wussy behavior of Clinton in Somalia. Apparently people like you would rather have random innocent Americans die than risk the lives of trained soldiers trying to bring order to a chaotic situation!

My posts are long, but NOT long-winded. They have a clear point supported by rational argument and illustrations. If you had learned to think more clearly you would recognize this.

The fact you haven’t changed your opinion on the Bush Administration demonstrates a closed/simple mind not a certainty of the correctness of your opinion. I respect your right to be wrong and I as well as others are willing to fight for your right to ignorance.

You are quite condescending aren't you. All that book learning has done you well. lol. If you look at the data, it clearly shows a greater death rate for americans in any given years vs the death of americans by terrorist act or even by military service in Iraq. Ergo, an american does indeed have a better chance of getting killed in america, by a fellow american than s/he does of getting killed by muslim fanatics, terrorists or insurgents either in america or anywhere else.

honestly, is that so difficult to grasp? please read the post again where I post the murder stats in the US and the Mortalities since hostilities began in the current war. If you would like to go back to the very first terrorist attack then I would still say that the murder count of americans on americans is higher.

but anyway, you are obfuscating with your "clear" points.

this thread began with basically what amounts to a "Hey! Look at what the muslims are doing now!!!"

You refer to 9/11 in your random 3000 deaths I would surmise. But you assume to point outy that I am wrong for bringing up facts around what is likely the biggest war on the muslim world?

So america drops bombs on what amounts to at the bottom end 40,000 Iraqis because they have bad intelligence, but even if it was good intelligence, the american bombs have killed 40,000 Iraqis.

The number could be higher according to the brits, upwards of 100,000 Iraqis or more.

Now, exactly what do you expect the people to do in this matter? Do you think they will particularly like america? Do you think they will gravitate towards the president who ordered this carnage take place? Do you think that all the Nations of the world that didn't support the US pre-emptive strike on Iraq (which I'm not sure if your counting, but it's pretty much the majority of the free world that still doesn't agree with the attack on Iraq) feel ok with what's going on? If they were ok with it, don't you think they would in some way be actively trying to restore the nation of Iraq to normality...(they are by the way but the current admin is for some strange reason blocking almost every single attempt by any other nation to get involved).

With every day America has boots on the ground as an occupying force as opposed to as a freindly force is another day that more insurgents will be recruited.

How long would you as an American put up with an invading force even if your leader was a bunghole? That's really all you gotta ask yourself. And as for not changing my mind about Bush, well, there's some people who are just beyond fixing. lol And I mean W is the one beyond fixing by the way. My views are perfectly normal stacked against his bombastic tom foolery.

[Scott R. Brown]

Hi David,

No I am not condescending; I am reflecting your own condescension back to you!

How many people died when America dropped bombs on Japan and Germany? Those bombs were indiscriminate. It was in the hundreds of thousands that died. Japan and Germany are better countries for it now. That is not to say that is it good to kill innocents, however life happens to all of us and none of us get out alive. Wars are won by killing people. You do not have to like it, but it is a fact of life and it will happen regardless of your righteous indignation. Unfortunately innocents will die as a result of any war! Perhaps you would rather it be your own family! I wouldn’t want any innocent killed, but when faced with two evils I will choose the lesser evil. The lesser evil is, “it is better them and theirs than me and mine! While some inappropriate acts occur in all wars and they should be roundly criticized and rectified, they are none-the-less a part of life that cannot be avoided. Our intentions have always been to kill the bad guys while hurting as few innocents as possible. If you choose to accuse America for killing the bad guys when they purposely hide amongst the innocents in order to create innocent deaths then their tactics are working on you and they are one more step closer to imposing dhimmini law on you and yours. Do you think you would enjoy the consequences? You do understand that that is their stated goal don’t you? They want a world Islamic state! Are you ready to convert or face oppression worse than you can imagine?