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  1. #16
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    We have a 2-man drill called Mega 6-Fist. But I don't know any Red Fist, although I've heard it referenced many times as an introductory style.

  2. #17
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    Everyone calls these forms Red Fist, but the character is Chinese shows that Hong Quan is translated as Flood or Flowing Fist.

    Hong Quan is a style in itself, it is part of the Luohan Men (gate) system.
    In actuallity Hong Quan is not a beginner's style, per say, it is just learned early to set the proper foundation.

    It is a sister style to Pao Chui, which is also part of Luohan Men system.

    Both Hong Quan and Pao Chui are derived from Rou Quan (perhaps one of the oldest styles from Shaolin) and Shaolin Tai Tzu Chang Quan.

    There is the 36 move Xiao Hong Quan, and if you understand what is being taught in this form, the real way to do Shaolin, soft and hard, then it is a perfect form to transition from Shaolin to Tai Chi.
    In fact, the second movement in Xiao Hong Quan (after the salute type movement) translates as "Push Hand" from the Chinese.

    The correct SECOND form to learn in the system is called Lao Hong Quan, Old Flowing Fist. Shi Deyang has a dvd/vcd out of the form, surprisingly he does it pretty close to fully correct (not 100%, as usual for him tough). You can also see the form in the slideshow area at Russbo.com, where it is mistakenly called the original da hong quan (it's not). This form is clearly a long verion of the Xiao Hong quan, with more stuff added.

    108 Rou Quan, Shaolin Tai Tzu Chang Quan, Xiao Hong Quan, Lao Hong Quan, and Chen Tai Ji, and Yang Tai Ji ALL have the same movements in their first section. If you did them all (I do) you can see the evolution from the Rou Quan to the Yang Tai Ji (then onto to Wu Tai Ji).

    There are actually TWO different Da Hong Quan styles at Shaolin, one is part of this Xiao Hong QUan system
    and the other is a different style completely that comes from Li Su, who introduced it to Shaolin (late Yuan/early Ming era).
    He's Hong Quan is the actual Red Fist style, the character is the real one for RED.
    It comes from Shanxi province.

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