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[Knifefighter]

good lord how ignorant you are.
After showing how clueless you were with the Eddie Bravo fake video, I'm surprised you are still trolling around here.

LOL. I thought we were following Victor's advice of either ignoring or sticking to the subject, rather than making personal stabs...

Anyway, sticking to the subject of Mook Jong not having anything to do with fighting...

Tell me which movements in the "better" video posted above (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0d3bf16mT8), you think would actaully be used in a fight.

[TheSwedishChef]

Let's remind ourselves what a 5th level tech is supposed to look like.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=vTZUibPr6kU

[Knifefighter]

Let's remind ourselves what a 5th level tech is supposed to look like.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=vTZUibPr6kU

If you watch those techniques, 90% are innapplicable to what actually happens when fighting against a resisting opponent, so the point is still moot.

[TheSwedishChef]

Oh yeah he didn't use a knife. So it wasn't real.

Maybe when you kick his ass you can post a vid of how lame his techniques are.

[Knifefighter]

Oh yeah he didn't use a knife. So it wasn't real.

Maybe when you kick his ass you can post a vid of how lame his techniques are.

Maybe, instead of only posting theoretical compliant opponent versions of what someone thinks fighting will look like, it would be much more realistic and informative to post some footage of using it in full-force situations against resisting opponents.

You would be surprised at how almost none of what was shown in those clips will be expressed in actual fighting.

Don't you find it strange that out of all of the stuff shown there, not one single piece was against a resisting opponent?

[TheSwedishChef]

He wasn't hitting them with forceful blows either. Its funny how fast students will leave you when you beat the cr@p out of them on a daily basis. Demonstrations can't done that way. This is the biggest empty complaint about demos. They are DEMOS!!! The only way to really show how the techniques work is to take the gloves off and call the ambulance just before the fight starts.



These would never work in a real attack situation.

http://alliancemartialarts.com/techniques.html

I know this because the opponent isn't resisting.

[Wayfaring]

Anyway, sticking to the subject of Mook Jong not having anything to do with fighting...

I'm no extreme enlightened one on the mook jong subject, but from my perspetive it provides two things:

1) Training in maintaining a precise range to an opponent while moving, blocking, striking. You can get out of range or jammed up easily.
2) Resistance training to striking / blocking

You can say that bag work (heavy bag, speed bag) doesn't have anything to do with boxing either, but in my experience they train it about 30% of the time.

So maybe mook jong is similar to bag work?

[Knifefighter]

He wasn't hitting them with forceful blows either. Its funny how fast students will leave you when you beat the cr@p out of them on a daily basis. Demonstrations can't done that way. This is the biggest empty complaint about demos. They are DEMOS!!! The only way to really show how the techniques work is to take the gloves off and call the ambulance just before the fight starts.

The only thing that demonstrates is that, since forceful blows are not used in training, the students (and the teacher) will never achieve much in terms of realistic skills.

These would never work in a real attack situation.

http://alliancemartialarts.com/techniques.html

You are correct.

[Knifefighter]

I'm no extreme enlightened one on the mook jong subject, but from my perspetive it provides two things:

1) Training in maintaining a precise range to an opponent while moving, blocking, striking. You can get out of range or jammed up easily.
2) Resistance training to striking / blocking

You can say that bag work (heavy bag, speed bag) doesn't have anything to do with boxing either, but in my experience they train it about 30% of the time.

So maybe mook jong is similar to bag work?

The movements used in striking the heavy bag are pretty much exactly the same as those done when fighting... not so on the Mook Jong.

[TheSwedishChef]

The only thing that demonstrates is that, since forceful blows are not used in training, the students (and the teacher) will never achieve much in terms of realistic skills.

I don't know about that. I think of my old Shaolin sifu. He never hurt me or anybody else in class but when he hit the heavy bag with his fist it looked like someone kicked it. I'm reasonably sure he and alot of other practitioners could turn up the heat on the punches when its "go time".

And nobody actually trains realistically. (That goes for all you tough guy MMArtists out there as well. Since the octogon isn't the street.) To do that you have to pick real fights. Do you know of a class that does that?

[Knifefighter]

I don't know about that. I think of my old Shaolin sifu. He never hurt me or anybody else in class but when he hit the heavy bag with his fist it looked like someone kicked it.

That's the problem... since he never went hard against anything except the heavy bag, there was no way to know whether or not he could actually fight against a resisting opponent. Lots of people look very hard core when they practice on the bag, Mook Jong, focus gloves, kicking pads, doing forms, etc... however, it often all falls apart the first time they face someone who actually hits back with intent.

And nobody actually trains realistically. (That goes for all you tough guy MMArtists out there as well. Since the octogon isn't the street.)

This is true. However, training full contact is much closer to reality than those whose training consists of only going halfway because their techniques are "too deadly" to be practiced all out.

[planetwc]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cV4Jq...elated&search=

If you watch those techniques, 90% are innapplicable to what actually happens when fighting against a resisting opponent, so the point is still moot.

[Knifefighter]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cV4Jq...elated&search=

Analyze and count the techniques in the clips I was originally talking about. Then count the different techniques done in the clip you posted above. I think you will see there are only about the same 10% being done... and even most of those 10% would have probably been out the window if he wasn't just playing tag with someone who fell over every time he kicked.


Here's a more realistic view (and level of contact) of fighting from a WC guy:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQtDudpYTmU&NR=1

[couch]

I don't know about that. I think of my old Shaolin sifu. He never hurt me or anybody else in class but when he hit the heavy bag with his fist it looked like someone kicked it. I'm reasonably sure he and alot of other practitioners could turn up the heat on the punches when its "go time".

And nobody actually trains realistically. (That goes for all you tough guy MMArtists out there as well. Since the octogon isn't the street.) To do that you have to pick real fights. Do you know of a class that does that?

Don't let him pull you into any conversation.

He enjoys the trolling...please don't give him any attention.

Best,
Kenton Sefcik

[jesper]

Actually this would be more realistic view of WT fighting

Mind you they are all still relatively new to WT/WC but atleast they are having a go at hard sparring

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0D7-s...elated&search=

Or this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZegFuKZAyUc